Air America - Morning Sedition
PDB to W - re: the spittle on your mouth distracted from what you were saying. Normally that would be good but the transition from idiot to drooling idiot is not a good thing. There's a simple solution to this: kleenex
Thursday, October 14, 2004
Wednesday, October 13, 2004
O"really fantasies:
"If you cross FOX NEWS Channel, it's not just me, it's Roger Alies who will go after you. I'm the street guy make loud noises about the issues, but Alies operates behind the scenes, strategies and makes things happen so one day BAM! That person gets what's coming to them but never sees it coming. Look at Al Franken, one day he is going to get a knock on his door and life as he's known it will change forever. That day will happen trust me."
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris12.html
"If you cross FOX NEWS Channel, it's not just me, it's Roger Alies who will go after you. I'm the street guy make loud noises about the issues, but Alies operates behind the scenes, strategies and makes things happen so one day BAM! That person gets what's coming to them but never sees it coming. Look at Al Franken, one day he is going to get a knock on his door and life as he's known it will change forever. That day will happen trust me."
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris12.html
Ron Suskind:
A very funny scene early in Richard Ben Cramer’s book about the 1988 Presidential campaign, “What It Takes,” shows Bush blowing his stack when he sees his father’s White House chief of staff, Craig Fuller, sitting in what he regards as a family seat at a baseball game, and, without a second’s thought, loudly complaining about Fuller’s presumptuousness. That kind of assurance shows a deep sense of comfort with being in the superior position, but not necessarily a deep sense of self-confidence.
And, in trying to figure out his position on an issue, Bush, like a lot of other politicians, doesn’t so much analyze as look for a hook—a phrase or a way of framing the issue that feels instinctively right to him. In his case, instinct usually takes him to a position where he is in charge and everyone else has to adjust.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/
A very funny scene early in Richard Ben Cramer’s book about the 1988 Presidential campaign, “What It Takes,” shows Bush blowing his stack when he sees his father’s White House chief of staff, Craig Fuller, sitting in what he regards as a family seat at a baseball game, and, without a second’s thought, loudly complaining about Fuller’s presumptuousness. That kind of assurance shows a deep sense of comfort with being in the superior position, but not necessarily a deep sense of self-confidence.
And, in trying to figure out his position on an issue, Bush, like a lot of other politicians, doesn’t so much analyze as look for a hook—a phrase or a way of framing the issue that feels instinctively right to him. In his case, instinct usually takes him to a position where he is in charge and everyone else has to adjust.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/
Monday, October 11, 2004
James Wolcott on the 2nd debate:
Empty Volcano
Posted by James Wolcott
http://www.jameswolcott.com/
For much of last night's debate George Bush looked like a blister about to pop. Loud, mouthy, swaggering, interested only in hearing himself lay down the law, he behaved like a verbally abusive husband. Not a wifebeater but a browbeater with a bar-fighter's grin. It is astonishing and sobering that this dull roar with a one-track mind that runs on tank treads is fighting for reelection instead of facing impeachment; his lies and failures have fed thousands of graves, and filled thousands more hospital beds with bodies and psyches that will never be whole again. And still our mainstream pundits can not, will not see him for what he is. He cracks a corny joke, and they marvel at his Reaganesque humor. He hollers at Charlie Gibson, and he's hailed as a take-charge guy.
Fortunately, the cable-news spinmeisters seem to matter less and less in the framing of the debate reaction--they've insulted the viewers' sense of reality too many times.
it was Kerry who was persuasively presidential last night, a perception that may widen over the coming days as the footage of Bush hollering like a hogcaller are replayed to a cringing nation.
Empty Volcano
Posted by James Wolcott
http://www.jameswolcott.com/
For much of last night's debate George Bush looked like a blister about to pop. Loud, mouthy, swaggering, interested only in hearing himself lay down the law, he behaved like a verbally abusive husband. Not a wifebeater but a browbeater with a bar-fighter's grin. It is astonishing and sobering that this dull roar with a one-track mind that runs on tank treads is fighting for reelection instead of facing impeachment; his lies and failures have fed thousands of graves, and filled thousands more hospital beds with bodies and psyches that will never be whole again. And still our mainstream pundits can not, will not see him for what he is. He cracks a corny joke, and they marvel at his Reaganesque humor. He hollers at Charlie Gibson, and he's hailed as a take-charge guy.
Fortunately, the cable-news spinmeisters seem to matter less and less in the framing of the debate reaction--they've insulted the viewers' sense of reality too many times.
it was Kerry who was persuasively presidential last night, a perception that may widen over the coming days as the footage of Bush hollering like a hogcaller are replayed to a cringing nation.
Saturday, October 09, 2004
Friday, October 08, 2004
Fineman turns on W - "sounds desperate"
Many observers have said the Bush team was too smart by half in insisting that the first debate be about foreign policy and defense — that is, Iraq. I am told that this wasn't done out of arrogance or ignorance; it was done that way in part to leave them plenty of time to repair any damage if Bush screwed up.
Many observers have said the Bush team was too smart by half in insisting that the first debate be about foreign policy and defense — that is, Iraq. I am told that this wasn't done out of arrogance or ignorance; it was done that way in part to leave them plenty of time to repair any damage if Bush screwed up.
Thursday, October 07, 2004
Betty Bowers on Cheney's BS:
So, I was pleased to hear Mr. Cheney announce last night that the newest, if not most willing, members of America's exclusive coalition, if only for the convenience of already being there, are the Iraqis themselves. I guess instead of leveling with foreign countries to win allies, we are simply going to level foreign countries.
So, I was pleased to hear Mr. Cheney announce last night that the newest, if not most willing, members of America's exclusive coalition, if only for the convenience of already being there, are the Iraqis themselves. I guess instead of leveling with foreign countries to win allies, we are simply going to level foreign countries.
Wednesday, October 06, 2004
More proof W started the "hate France" campaign personally:
NY Post reports
President Bush privately refers to French President Jacques Chirac, who bitterly opposed Bush's Iraq policy, as "The Jackass," according to a new book.
"The relationship between your president and ours is irreparable on the personal level," a U.S. official told a senior French military aide, according to the book, "Chirac Versus Bush — The Other War."
(snip)
* Before the bitterly divided U.N. Security Council took up Iraq in early 2003, the French entourage met in Germany's U.N. mission because it was the only unbuggable place they could find.
The White House wouldn't take any calls from the French leadership for weeks after the U.S.-led invasion
I knew it was a personal grudge it as soon as I read an article about his attempt to blackmail Vincente Fox into supporting the war by saying: "A funny thing happened to France"
It was confirmed by this observation:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/16/tsurumi/in ...
Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
NY Post reports
President Bush privately refers to French President Jacques Chirac, who bitterly opposed Bush's Iraq policy, as "The Jackass," according to a new book.
"The relationship between your president and ours is irreparable on the personal level," a U.S. official told a senior French military aide, according to the book, "Chirac Versus Bush — The Other War."
(snip)
* Before the bitterly divided U.N. Security Council took up Iraq in early 2003, the French entourage met in Germany's U.N. mission because it was the only unbuggable place they could find.
The White House wouldn't take any calls from the French leadership for weeks after the U.S.-led invasion
I knew it was a personal grudge it as soon as I read an article about his attempt to blackmail Vincente Fox into supporting the war by saying: "A funny thing happened to France"
It was confirmed by this observation:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/16/tsurumi/in ...
Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
Tuesday, October 05, 2004
4:09 p.m. Don't accuse them of being subtle
The DNC just handed out what they're calling a "Halliburton Hospitality Gift Bags" to members of the media here. Inside, everyone gets their very own no-bid contract, a fake check for $2 million, a $45 can of soda and a $100 box of laundry detergent. You have to give Terry McCauliffe credit. If nothing else, he is creative.
http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/vpdebate/
The DNC just handed out what they're calling a "Halliburton Hospitality Gift Bags" to members of the media here. Inside, everyone gets their very own no-bid contract, a fake check for $2 million, a $45 can of soda and a $100 box of laundry detergent. You have to give Terry McCauliffe credit. If nothing else, he is creative.
http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/vpdebate/
Saturday, October 02, 2004
James Wolcott's blog:
Last night I believe we saw the ugly comeback of the private face of Bush--the irritable expressions he flashes subordinates when he's presented with information he doesn't like or feels someone's taken up too much of his time or is pressed to explain himself to people he shouldn't have to explain himself to because he's the president and fuck you. The notion that Bush is "likeable" has always been laughable. It takes a Washington pundit to be that dumb. He's an angry, spoiled, resentful little big man--I use "little big man" in the Reichian sense of a small personality who puffs himself up to look big through bluster and swagger but remains a scheming coward inside--and next to a genuinely big man like Kerry, shrunk before the camera's eyes.
.............
Frankly, I'm amazed by this reversal of fortune. Bush let Kerry get to him. I truly thought Bush would stick to the Reagan playbook and genially shrug off Kerry's criticisms with a grin and a quip, but he's a greater mass of insecurities and arrogant entitlements than even I imagined. I pity the fools who have to prep Bush for the next debate. Because they're sure going to have one pissy pupil on their hands.
http://www.jameswolcott.com/
Last night I believe we saw the ugly comeback of the private face of Bush--the irritable expressions he flashes subordinates when he's presented with information he doesn't like or feels someone's taken up too much of his time or is pressed to explain himself to people he shouldn't have to explain himself to because he's the president and fuck you. The notion that Bush is "likeable" has always been laughable. It takes a Washington pundit to be that dumb. He's an angry, spoiled, resentful little big man--I use "little big man" in the Reichian sense of a small personality who puffs himself up to look big through bluster and swagger but remains a scheming coward inside--and next to a genuinely big man like Kerry, shrunk before the camera's eyes.
.............
Frankly, I'm amazed by this reversal of fortune. Bush let Kerry get to him. I truly thought Bush would stick to the Reagan playbook and genially shrug off Kerry's criticisms with a grin and a quip, but he's a greater mass of insecurities and arrogant entitlements than even I imagined. I pity the fools who have to prep Bush for the next debate. Because they're sure going to have one pissy pupil on their hands.
http://www.jameswolcott.com/
Friday, October 01, 2004
Posted on DU
11. last night on local radio
a frustrated freeper called the host of a non-political radio show:
Freeper: "Well Bush sounded more like a regular guy and Kerry used fancy words like "nuclear proliferation. Who knows what that means?"
Host: "You mean you don't know what nuclear proliferation means in this day and age? Then you sir, are too dumb to vote"
LOL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x945788
11. last night on local radio
a frustrated freeper called the host of a non-political radio show:
Freeper: "Well Bush sounded more like a regular guy and Kerry used fancy words like "nuclear proliferation. Who knows what that means?"
Host: "You mean you don't know what nuclear proliferation means in this day and age? Then you sir, are too dumb to vote"
LOL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x945788
Posted on DU:
CornField (265 posts) Fri Oct-01-04 02:35 PM
Original message
My kids just cracked me up -- "playing President"
My 4- and 2-year-old are home today and they have a little friend over, Shawna, age 4. They decided to do their own rebroadcast of the debates. Shawna was the moderator, seated at a desk. My 4-yr-old was Kerry, standing behind a stuffed giraffe, and the 2-yr-old was told to stand behind a stuffed bear and be Bush. So, Shawna began asking questions: "Would you be a mean President?" and so-forth. I enjoyed the show and then left the room.
Next thing I know there is a huge rukus in the debate hall. I go in and the 2-yr-old is trying to pummel the 4-yr-old. I separated them and the 4-yr-old tells me, "He wants to be Kerry, Momma. But he has to be Bush because he doesn't speak too good."
Ain't it the truth, baby
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2438463
CornField (265 posts) Fri Oct-01-04 02:35 PM
Original message
My kids just cracked me up -- "playing President"
My 4- and 2-year-old are home today and they have a little friend over, Shawna, age 4. They decided to do their own rebroadcast of the debates. Shawna was the moderator, seated at a desk. My 4-yr-old was Kerry, standing behind a stuffed giraffe, and the 2-yr-old was told to stand behind a stuffed bear and be Bush. So, Shawna began asking questions: "Would you be a mean President?" and so-forth. I enjoyed the show and then left the room.
Next thing I know there is a huge rukus in the debate hall. I go in and the 2-yr-old is trying to pummel the 4-yr-old. I separated them and the 4-yr-old tells me, "He wants to be Kerry, Momma. But he has to be Bush because he doesn't speak too good."
Ain't it the truth, baby
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2438463
Best of debate
We're facing a group of folks who have such hatred in their heart, they'll strike anywhere, with any means.
.
Of course we're after Saddam Hussein -- I mean bin Laden. He's isolated. Seventy-five percent of his people have been brought to justice. The killer -- the mastermind of the September 11th attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, is in prison.
We're modernizing our borders.
And there's going to be an Arab summit, of the neighborhood countries.
Well, actually he forgot Poland
My opponent just said something amazing. He said Osama bin Laden uses the invasion of Iraq as an excuse to spread hatred for America. Osama bin Laden isn't going to determine how we defend ourselves.
You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can, knowing full well that the decision I made caused her loved one to be in harm's way.
But the enemy attacked us, Jim, and I have a solemn duty to protect the American people, to do everything I can to protect us.
First of all, of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us. I know that.
: I'm trying to put a leash on them.
In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard.
It's-and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work.
We're making progress. It is hard work.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debateref...
We're facing a group of folks who have such hatred in their heart, they'll strike anywhere, with any means.
.
Of course we're after Saddam Hussein -- I mean bin Laden. He's isolated. Seventy-five percent of his people have been brought to justice. The killer -- the mastermind of the September 11th attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, is in prison.
We're modernizing our borders.
And there's going to be an Arab summit, of the neighborhood countries.
Well, actually he forgot Poland
My opponent just said something amazing. He said Osama bin Laden uses the invasion of Iraq as an excuse to spread hatred for America. Osama bin Laden isn't going to determine how we defend ourselves.
You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can, knowing full well that the decision I made caused her loved one to be in harm's way.
But the enemy attacked us, Jim, and I have a solemn duty to protect the American people, to do everything I can to protect us.
First of all, of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us. I know that.
: I'm trying to put a leash on them.
In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard.
It's-and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work.
We're making progress. It is hard work.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debateref...
Thursday, September 30, 2004
Freepers on defensive
Posted by Mike10542
On 09/30/2004 8:33:56 PM PDT · 14+ views
September 30, 2004 | Michael Katz
Everyone relax. This election is all about confidence. While we were all hoping that Bush would defeat Kerry handidly tonight and put the election out of reach, we can't be that upset with tonight. Kerry may have even had a slight win, but the point is this. Everyone was talking Kerry out of the race before the debates. The pundits I have heard so far have not said he clearly won, but that he did enough to solidify his base and keep himself in the race. So the only thing we really lost tonight was the chance to put the...
and more:
"Please someone!!! Keep me positive!"
"Thanks for encouraging us. I'm not saying the President did poorly; Lurch just did better than I expected. I stopped watching and went to pray."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232071/posts
Posted by Mike10542
On 09/30/2004 8:33:56 PM PDT · 14+ views
September 30, 2004 | Michael Katz
Everyone relax. This election is all about confidence. While we were all hoping that Bush would defeat Kerry handidly tonight and put the election out of reach, we can't be that upset with tonight. Kerry may have even had a slight win, but the point is this. Everyone was talking Kerry out of the race before the debates. The pundits I have heard so far have not said he clearly won, but that he did enough to solidify his base and keep himself in the race. So the only thing we really lost tonight was the chance to put the...
and more:
"Please someone!!! Keep me positive!"
"Thanks for encouraging us. I'm not saying the President did poorly; Lurch just did better than I expected. I stopped watching and went to pray."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232071/posts
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=2&topic_id=323373
Bush Suffers Breakdown On TV, Wins Debate
Thu Sep 30th, 2004 at 04:59:07 GMT
AP-In a stunning display of raw emotion never before seen on national television, President George W. Bush appeared to suffer a psychological breakdown during last night's square-off with Democratic nominee John Kerry.
Political commentators were quick to agree that Bush won the debate.
Observers first suspected a change in Bush's emotional state when, following a blistering attack from Kerry, a large, apparently wet stain began to appear on the front of the President's pants.
Laying his head upon the podium, Bush began to speak in a soft, high-pitched voice. His microphone was able to pick up questions apparently aimed at his father, former President George H.W. Bush, rather than his opponent. "Daddy. Daddy. Daddy, why don't you love me? " Bush whimpered.
Cokie Roberts, in a post debate roundtable on ABC, stated that such actions "clearly presented a softer, sensitive side" of Bush, "that every man in America will identify with."
Moments later Bush appeared to regain his energy, bolting upright and loudly asking "What's a n***a got to do to get a drink around here?" He then began pounding on the podium while chanting "Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke" repeatedly.
MSNBC's Chris Matthews was quick to point out how the alcohol reference would resonate with "Joe Six-pack," while CNN's Wolf Blitzer heralded Bush's use of "the `N' word," as "an appeal to the hippity-hop generation."
As Bush crumpled to the floor, his rival, Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, implored the audience to "give the President some air." Kerry also called out to the audience, asking "Is there a doctor in the house?" a clear violation of the debate rules.
FoxNews anchor Brit Hume lambasted Kerry for his "patronizing attitude," while ABC's Peter Jennings stated that he felt that "No American watching is going to want to vote for a candidate who doesn't know if a doctor actually is in the house, I'm sure aboot that."
On CBS, Dan Rather told his network's viewers that the debate was being carried via a pool arrangement of cameras, and that he could not verify that Bush actually was curled up in a fetal position.
Bush's debate performance was seen by most as dealing a harsh blow to Kerry's presidential aspirations.
"If a soiled heap of laundry on the floor isn't what we need in our war against those who would do us harm, I don't know who is," stated debate moderator Jim Lehrer.
Read this on the Slate forums and just had to share
Bush Suffers Breakdown On TV, Wins Debate
Thu Sep 30th, 2004 at 04:59:07 GMT
AP-In a stunning display of raw emotion never before seen on national television, President George W. Bush appeared to suffer a psychological breakdown during last night's square-off with Democratic nominee John Kerry.
Political commentators were quick to agree that Bush won the debate.
Observers first suspected a change in Bush's emotional state when, following a blistering attack from Kerry, a large, apparently wet stain began to appear on the front of the President's pants.
Laying his head upon the podium, Bush began to speak in a soft, high-pitched voice. His microphone was able to pick up questions apparently aimed at his father, former President George H.W. Bush, rather than his opponent. "Daddy. Daddy. Daddy, why don't you love me? " Bush whimpered.
Cokie Roberts, in a post debate roundtable on ABC, stated that such actions "clearly presented a softer, sensitive side" of Bush, "that every man in America will identify with."
Moments later Bush appeared to regain his energy, bolting upright and loudly asking "What's a n***a got to do to get a drink around here?" He then began pounding on the podium while chanting "Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke" repeatedly.
MSNBC's Chris Matthews was quick to point out how the alcohol reference would resonate with "Joe Six-pack," while CNN's Wolf Blitzer heralded Bush's use of "the `N' word," as "an appeal to the hippity-hop generation."
As Bush crumpled to the floor, his rival, Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, implored the audience to "give the President some air." Kerry also called out to the audience, asking "Is there a doctor in the house?" a clear violation of the debate rules.
FoxNews anchor Brit Hume lambasted Kerry for his "patronizing attitude," while ABC's Peter Jennings stated that he felt that "No American watching is going to want to vote for a candidate who doesn't know if a doctor actually is in the house, I'm sure aboot that."
On CBS, Dan Rather told his network's viewers that the debate was being carried via a pool arrangement of cameras, and that he could not verify that Bush actually was curled up in a fetal position.
Bush's debate performance was seen by most as dealing a harsh blow to Kerry's presidential aspirations.
"If a soiled heap of laundry on the floor isn't what we need in our war against those who would do us harm, I don't know who is," stated debate moderator Jim Lehrer.
Read this on the Slate forums and just had to share
Randi Rhodes vs Patty Smith yesterday - best account:
QUOTE (heinrich @ Sep 30 2004, 01:22 AM)
My impressions of Randi's and Patti's "discussion" -- after listening to it three times -- favors Randi. But let's let the facts guide us by looking at the timing of the dialogue in the first nine minutes or so:
First 30 seconds: Patti's music is played
Next 40: Randi praises Patti
Next 20: Randi starts to make a case that the music should have improved after W's war
Next 65: Patti interrupts before Randi can finish her point, and has misinterpreted Randi's point
Next 157: Randi riffs on W selling fear and the takeover of media by corporations
Next 96: Patti makes the point how Iraq infrastructure has been destroyed
Next 29: Randi amplifies Patti's point with specific detail
Next 19: Patti's notes that people are not asking questions.
Next 29: Rand and Patti go back and forth on corporate influence; Patti praises Nader; Randi criticizes Nader
Next 12: Patti rebuts Randi with "That's not true" and "That's a very glib statement"
Next 58: Randi gives her Prada shoe analogy, says Nader had done some great things, but that he's changed.
Next 10: Patti says she doesn't agree and "I don't want to argue with you on your show," to which Randi good-naturedly say's "Oh, come on (giggle)"
At this point, Patti says to Randi "Your point is narrow," accuses Randi of talking 90% of the time, and dismisses Randi with "If you really want to talk to me about Ralph Nader in any meaningful way, we can do it afterwards."
If you add up the amount of time each spoke during the first nine minutes or so, counting 29 seconds where it was going back and forth evenly, you get 261 seconds for Patti and 333 seconds for Randi, which means Patti (and her song) had 44% of the air time and Randi had 56%. This is actually a pretty even balance up to the point Patti accuses Randi of monopolizing 90% of the air time.
Also, the conversation was very civil until Patti said "That's a very glib statement," which is a putdown of Randi. Even then, Randi remained polite.
After Randi, in all good humor, encouraged Patti to argue the facts, Patti returns with "Your point is narrow," which is again an insulting putdown to Randi, and then the "If you really .. . in any meaningful way .. ." which is downright rude and condescending to Randi.
Up to this point, Randi had been very agreeable and very open in allowing Patti to make her point.
After this, the gloves were off and I think Patti's stonewalling and refusal to engage in the debate reflects poorly on her. Yes, Randi got passionate and probably stayed on the Nader point too long. But she had every justification. Patti should have done her homework before coming on the show, and should have been more polite.
http://forum.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?s=8de9daab1ceecdf0f890b44b8caa4ab2&act=ST&f=22&t=25672&st=225&
QUOTE (heinrich @ Sep 30 2004, 01:22 AM)
My impressions of Randi's and Patti's "discussion" -- after listening to it three times -- favors Randi. But let's let the facts guide us by looking at the timing of the dialogue in the first nine minutes or so:
First 30 seconds: Patti's music is played
Next 40: Randi praises Patti
Next 20: Randi starts to make a case that the music should have improved after W's war
Next 65: Patti interrupts before Randi can finish her point, and has misinterpreted Randi's point
Next 157: Randi riffs on W selling fear and the takeover of media by corporations
Next 96: Patti makes the point how Iraq infrastructure has been destroyed
Next 29: Randi amplifies Patti's point with specific detail
Next 19: Patti's notes that people are not asking questions.
Next 29: Rand and Patti go back and forth on corporate influence; Patti praises Nader; Randi criticizes Nader
Next 12: Patti rebuts Randi with "That's not true" and "That's a very glib statement"
Next 58: Randi gives her Prada shoe analogy, says Nader had done some great things, but that he's changed.
Next 10: Patti says she doesn't agree and "I don't want to argue with you on your show," to which Randi good-naturedly say's "Oh, come on (giggle)"
At this point, Patti says to Randi "Your point is narrow," accuses Randi of talking 90% of the time, and dismisses Randi with "If you really want to talk to me about Ralph Nader in any meaningful way, we can do it afterwards."
If you add up the amount of time each spoke during the first nine minutes or so, counting 29 seconds where it was going back and forth evenly, you get 261 seconds for Patti and 333 seconds for Randi, which means Patti (and her song) had 44% of the air time and Randi had 56%. This is actually a pretty even balance up to the point Patti accuses Randi of monopolizing 90% of the air time.
Also, the conversation was very civil until Patti said "That's a very glib statement," which is a putdown of Randi. Even then, Randi remained polite.
After Randi, in all good humor, encouraged Patti to argue the facts, Patti returns with "Your point is narrow," which is again an insulting putdown to Randi, and then the "If you really .. . in any meaningful way .. ." which is downright rude and condescending to Randi.
Up to this point, Randi had been very agreeable and very open in allowing Patti to make her point.
After this, the gloves were off and I think Patti's stonewalling and refusal to engage in the debate reflects poorly on her. Yes, Randi got passionate and probably stayed on the Nader point too long. But she had every justification. Patti should have done her homework before coming on the show, and should have been more polite.
http://forum.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?s=8de9daab1ceecdf0f890b44b8caa4ab2&act=ST&f=22&t=25672&st=225&
Wednesday, September 29, 2004
Gallup's likely voters
sidpleasant (109 posts) Wed Sep-29-04 09:58 AM
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31. Re: "likely voters"
A coworker told me an intersting story a few days ago. Her son's best friend got a call from Gallup. This guy is 30 years old and has never voted before but he registered this year so he can vote for Kerry. He's absolutely positively going to vote on November 2nd. He told all this to the Gallup pollster who then replied that he didn't meet their definition of a "likely voter" and hung up on him.
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sidpleasant (109 posts) Wed Sep-29-04 09:58 AM
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31. Re: "likely voters"
A coworker told me an intersting story a few days ago. Her son's best friend got a call from Gallup. This guy is 30 years old and has never voted before but he registered this year so he can vote for Kerry. He's absolutely positively going to vote on November 2nd. He told all this to the Gallup pollster who then replied that he didn't meet their definition of a "likely voter" and hung up on him.
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Tuesday, September 21, 2004
The Bushes get Rather
here's the natural qualities leaading to this:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/16/tsurumi/in ...
Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
here's the natural qualities leaading to this:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/16/tsurumi/in ...
Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
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