Freepers on defensive
Posted by Mike10542
On 09/30/2004 8:33:56 PM PDT · 14+ views
September 30, 2004 | Michael Katz
Everyone relax. This election is all about confidence. While we were all hoping that Bush would defeat Kerry handidly tonight and put the election out of reach, we can't be that upset with tonight. Kerry may have even had a slight win, but the point is this. Everyone was talking Kerry out of the race before the debates. The pundits I have heard so far have not said he clearly won, but that he did enough to solidify his base and keep himself in the race. So the only thing we really lost tonight was the chance to put the...
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"Please someone!!! Keep me positive!"
"Thanks for encouraging us. I'm not saying the President did poorly; Lurch just did better than I expected. I stopped watching and went to pray."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232071/posts
Thursday, September 30, 2004
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=2&topic_id=323373
Bush Suffers Breakdown On TV, Wins Debate
Thu Sep 30th, 2004 at 04:59:07 GMT
AP-In a stunning display of raw emotion never before seen on national television, President George W. Bush appeared to suffer a psychological breakdown during last night's square-off with Democratic nominee John Kerry.
Political commentators were quick to agree that Bush won the debate.
Observers first suspected a change in Bush's emotional state when, following a blistering attack from Kerry, a large, apparently wet stain began to appear on the front of the President's pants.
Laying his head upon the podium, Bush began to speak in a soft, high-pitched voice. His microphone was able to pick up questions apparently aimed at his father, former President George H.W. Bush, rather than his opponent. "Daddy. Daddy. Daddy, why don't you love me? " Bush whimpered.
Cokie Roberts, in a post debate roundtable on ABC, stated that such actions "clearly presented a softer, sensitive side" of Bush, "that every man in America will identify with."
Moments later Bush appeared to regain his energy, bolting upright and loudly asking "What's a n***a got to do to get a drink around here?" He then began pounding on the podium while chanting "Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke" repeatedly.
MSNBC's Chris Matthews was quick to point out how the alcohol reference would resonate with "Joe Six-pack," while CNN's Wolf Blitzer heralded Bush's use of "the `N' word," as "an appeal to the hippity-hop generation."
As Bush crumpled to the floor, his rival, Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, implored the audience to "give the President some air." Kerry also called out to the audience, asking "Is there a doctor in the house?" a clear violation of the debate rules.
FoxNews anchor Brit Hume lambasted Kerry for his "patronizing attitude," while ABC's Peter Jennings stated that he felt that "No American watching is going to want to vote for a candidate who doesn't know if a doctor actually is in the house, I'm sure aboot that."
On CBS, Dan Rather told his network's viewers that the debate was being carried via a pool arrangement of cameras, and that he could not verify that Bush actually was curled up in a fetal position.
Bush's debate performance was seen by most as dealing a harsh blow to Kerry's presidential aspirations.
"If a soiled heap of laundry on the floor isn't what we need in our war against those who would do us harm, I don't know who is," stated debate moderator Jim Lehrer.
Read this on the Slate forums and just had to share
Bush Suffers Breakdown On TV, Wins Debate
Thu Sep 30th, 2004 at 04:59:07 GMT
AP-In a stunning display of raw emotion never before seen on national television, President George W. Bush appeared to suffer a psychological breakdown during last night's square-off with Democratic nominee John Kerry.
Political commentators were quick to agree that Bush won the debate.
Observers first suspected a change in Bush's emotional state when, following a blistering attack from Kerry, a large, apparently wet stain began to appear on the front of the President's pants.
Laying his head upon the podium, Bush began to speak in a soft, high-pitched voice. His microphone was able to pick up questions apparently aimed at his father, former President George H.W. Bush, rather than his opponent. "Daddy. Daddy. Daddy, why don't you love me? " Bush whimpered.
Cokie Roberts, in a post debate roundtable on ABC, stated that such actions "clearly presented a softer, sensitive side" of Bush, "that every man in America will identify with."
Moments later Bush appeared to regain his energy, bolting upright and loudly asking "What's a n***a got to do to get a drink around here?" He then began pounding on the podium while chanting "Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke" repeatedly.
MSNBC's Chris Matthews was quick to point out how the alcohol reference would resonate with "Joe Six-pack," while CNN's Wolf Blitzer heralded Bush's use of "the `N' word," as "an appeal to the hippity-hop generation."
As Bush crumpled to the floor, his rival, Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, implored the audience to "give the President some air." Kerry also called out to the audience, asking "Is there a doctor in the house?" a clear violation of the debate rules.
FoxNews anchor Brit Hume lambasted Kerry for his "patronizing attitude," while ABC's Peter Jennings stated that he felt that "No American watching is going to want to vote for a candidate who doesn't know if a doctor actually is in the house, I'm sure aboot that."
On CBS, Dan Rather told his network's viewers that the debate was being carried via a pool arrangement of cameras, and that he could not verify that Bush actually was curled up in a fetal position.
Bush's debate performance was seen by most as dealing a harsh blow to Kerry's presidential aspirations.
"If a soiled heap of laundry on the floor isn't what we need in our war against those who would do us harm, I don't know who is," stated debate moderator Jim Lehrer.
Read this on the Slate forums and just had to share
Randi Rhodes vs Patty Smith yesterday - best account:
QUOTE (heinrich @ Sep 30 2004, 01:22 AM)
My impressions of Randi's and Patti's "discussion" -- after listening to it three times -- favors Randi. But let's let the facts guide us by looking at the timing of the dialogue in the first nine minutes or so:
First 30 seconds: Patti's music is played
Next 40: Randi praises Patti
Next 20: Randi starts to make a case that the music should have improved after W's war
Next 65: Patti interrupts before Randi can finish her point, and has misinterpreted Randi's point
Next 157: Randi riffs on W selling fear and the takeover of media by corporations
Next 96: Patti makes the point how Iraq infrastructure has been destroyed
Next 29: Randi amplifies Patti's point with specific detail
Next 19: Patti's notes that people are not asking questions.
Next 29: Rand and Patti go back and forth on corporate influence; Patti praises Nader; Randi criticizes Nader
Next 12: Patti rebuts Randi with "That's not true" and "That's a very glib statement"
Next 58: Randi gives her Prada shoe analogy, says Nader had done some great things, but that he's changed.
Next 10: Patti says she doesn't agree and "I don't want to argue with you on your show," to which Randi good-naturedly say's "Oh, come on (giggle)"
At this point, Patti says to Randi "Your point is narrow," accuses Randi of talking 90% of the time, and dismisses Randi with "If you really want to talk to me about Ralph Nader in any meaningful way, we can do it afterwards."
If you add up the amount of time each spoke during the first nine minutes or so, counting 29 seconds where it was going back and forth evenly, you get 261 seconds for Patti and 333 seconds for Randi, which means Patti (and her song) had 44% of the air time and Randi had 56%. This is actually a pretty even balance up to the point Patti accuses Randi of monopolizing 90% of the air time.
Also, the conversation was very civil until Patti said "That's a very glib statement," which is a putdown of Randi. Even then, Randi remained polite.
After Randi, in all good humor, encouraged Patti to argue the facts, Patti returns with "Your point is narrow," which is again an insulting putdown to Randi, and then the "If you really .. . in any meaningful way .. ." which is downright rude and condescending to Randi.
Up to this point, Randi had been very agreeable and very open in allowing Patti to make her point.
After this, the gloves were off and I think Patti's stonewalling and refusal to engage in the debate reflects poorly on her. Yes, Randi got passionate and probably stayed on the Nader point too long. But she had every justification. Patti should have done her homework before coming on the show, and should have been more polite.
http://forum.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?s=8de9daab1ceecdf0f890b44b8caa4ab2&act=ST&f=22&t=25672&st=225&
QUOTE (heinrich @ Sep 30 2004, 01:22 AM)
My impressions of Randi's and Patti's "discussion" -- after listening to it three times -- favors Randi. But let's let the facts guide us by looking at the timing of the dialogue in the first nine minutes or so:
First 30 seconds: Patti's music is played
Next 40: Randi praises Patti
Next 20: Randi starts to make a case that the music should have improved after W's war
Next 65: Patti interrupts before Randi can finish her point, and has misinterpreted Randi's point
Next 157: Randi riffs on W selling fear and the takeover of media by corporations
Next 96: Patti makes the point how Iraq infrastructure has been destroyed
Next 29: Randi amplifies Patti's point with specific detail
Next 19: Patti's notes that people are not asking questions.
Next 29: Rand and Patti go back and forth on corporate influence; Patti praises Nader; Randi criticizes Nader
Next 12: Patti rebuts Randi with "That's not true" and "That's a very glib statement"
Next 58: Randi gives her Prada shoe analogy, says Nader had done some great things, but that he's changed.
Next 10: Patti says she doesn't agree and "I don't want to argue with you on your show," to which Randi good-naturedly say's "Oh, come on (giggle)"
At this point, Patti says to Randi "Your point is narrow," accuses Randi of talking 90% of the time, and dismisses Randi with "If you really want to talk to me about Ralph Nader in any meaningful way, we can do it afterwards."
If you add up the amount of time each spoke during the first nine minutes or so, counting 29 seconds where it was going back and forth evenly, you get 261 seconds for Patti and 333 seconds for Randi, which means Patti (and her song) had 44% of the air time and Randi had 56%. This is actually a pretty even balance up to the point Patti accuses Randi of monopolizing 90% of the air time.
Also, the conversation was very civil until Patti said "That's a very glib statement," which is a putdown of Randi. Even then, Randi remained polite.
After Randi, in all good humor, encouraged Patti to argue the facts, Patti returns with "Your point is narrow," which is again an insulting putdown to Randi, and then the "If you really .. . in any meaningful way .. ." which is downright rude and condescending to Randi.
Up to this point, Randi had been very agreeable and very open in allowing Patti to make her point.
After this, the gloves were off and I think Patti's stonewalling and refusal to engage in the debate reflects poorly on her. Yes, Randi got passionate and probably stayed on the Nader point too long. But she had every justification. Patti should have done her homework before coming on the show, and should have been more polite.
http://forum.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?s=8de9daab1ceecdf0f890b44b8caa4ab2&act=ST&f=22&t=25672&st=225&
Wednesday, September 29, 2004
Gallup's likely voters
sidpleasant (109 posts) Wed Sep-29-04 09:58 AM
Response to Original message
31. Re: "likely voters"
A coworker told me an intersting story a few days ago. Her son's best friend got a call from Gallup. This guy is 30 years old and has never voted before but he registered this year so he can vote for Kerry. He's absolutely positively going to vote on November 2nd. He told all this to the Gallup pollster who then replied that he didn't meet their definition of a "likely voter" and hung up on him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=871950&mesg_id=872767&page=
sidpleasant (109 posts) Wed Sep-29-04 09:58 AM
Response to Original message
31. Re: "likely voters"
A coworker told me an intersting story a few days ago. Her son's best friend got a call from Gallup. This guy is 30 years old and has never voted before but he registered this year so he can vote for Kerry. He's absolutely positively going to vote on November 2nd. He told all this to the Gallup pollster who then replied that he didn't meet their definition of a "likely voter" and hung up on him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=871950&mesg_id=872767&page=
Tuesday, September 21, 2004
The Bushes get Rather
here's the natural qualities leaading to this:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/16/tsurumi/in ...
Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
here's the natural qualities leaading to this:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/16/tsurumi/in ...
Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
Monica L on DU recounts a Michael Moore event:
Tue Sep-21-04 01:00 AM
Original message
Michael Moore live in Camden, NJ 9/20/04Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 01:07 AM by Monica_L
Michael Moore appeared live at an event sponsored by Rutgers University Law School tonight. He had several interesting things to say:
He will forego having Fahrenheit 9/11 considered for an Oscar in an attempt to have it aired the evening before the 2004 presidential elections, whether it be network or cable. He estimated the odds at 50-50.
He, and a number of other people are paying 10,000 attorneys to monitor the 2004 presidential elections. Their presence will be strong in Florida especially, but they will be representing any voter around the nation who feels they are being disenfranchised. The toll free number is 1-866 OUR VOTE and if you or anybody you know feels they are being wrongfully denied their right to vote, call anytime.
He will be going on a tour of something like 15-20 swing states starting this weekend. It's being labeled something like the "Slackers' Tour" and is attempting to pick up 10% of the 50% of unregistered voters (focusing on the 18-25's) before election day.
He will publish a book of GIs' letters he has received over the past year and a half before election day. The target date for publication of this book is Oct. 5th. MM encourages everybody to steal, copy, xerox, dictate or otherwise disseminate this copyrighted material to get the message out to the electorate. He says you cannot believe the avalanche of letters he receives all saying that the rank-and-file grunts are so despondent over the way they are being used by the junta.
He will have some very snarky "pro-republican" campaign ads up on his site within the next few days. One actually got some boos from the audience, but you'll have to see for yourself.
He will be donating thousands of copies of F 9/11 to various special interest groups.
Moore said some of the "journalists" who treated him harshly on camera, later apologized and said how ashamed and afraid they were of being viewed as anti-war by their higher-ups. He said Matt Lauer's crew especially dished to him how an assistant producer who suggested a mild anti-war piece was transferred out of any job that would give her a voice on viewer content.
Moore gave out "prizes" to those who would willingly come up on stage and admit they weren't yet registered to vote, with the only proviso that they would promise to vote this Nov. 2nd no matter who their chosen candidate was.
here
Tue Sep-21-04 01:00 AM
Original message
Michael Moore live in Camden, NJ 9/20/04Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 01:07 AM by Monica_L
Michael Moore appeared live at an event sponsored by Rutgers University Law School tonight. He had several interesting things to say:
He will forego having Fahrenheit 9/11 considered for an Oscar in an attempt to have it aired the evening before the 2004 presidential elections, whether it be network or cable. He estimated the odds at 50-50.
He, and a number of other people are paying 10,000 attorneys to monitor the 2004 presidential elections. Their presence will be strong in Florida especially, but they will be representing any voter around the nation who feels they are being disenfranchised. The toll free number is 1-866 OUR VOTE and if you or anybody you know feels they are being wrongfully denied their right to vote, call anytime.
He will be going on a tour of something like 15-20 swing states starting this weekend. It's being labeled something like the "Slackers' Tour" and is attempting to pick up 10% of the 50% of unregistered voters (focusing on the 18-25's) before election day.
He will publish a book of GIs' letters he has received over the past year and a half before election day. The target date for publication of this book is Oct. 5th. MM encourages everybody to steal, copy, xerox, dictate or otherwise disseminate this copyrighted material to get the message out to the electorate. He says you cannot believe the avalanche of letters he receives all saying that the rank-and-file grunts are so despondent over the way they are being used by the junta.
He will have some very snarky "pro-republican" campaign ads up on his site within the next few days. One actually got some boos from the audience, but you'll have to see for yourself.
He will be donating thousands of copies of F 9/11 to various special interest groups.
Moore said some of the "journalists" who treated him harshly on camera, later apologized and said how ashamed and afraid they were of being viewed as anti-war by their higher-ups. He said Matt Lauer's crew especially dished to him how an assistant producer who suggested a mild anti-war piece was transferred out of any job that would give her a voice on viewer content.
Moore gave out "prizes" to those who would willingly come up on stage and admit they weren't yet registered to vote, with the only proviso that they would promise to vote this Nov. 2nd no matter who their chosen candidate was.
here
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