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AlGore2004dotORG (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-14-04 10:10 PM
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31. Guess what - - he's a friggin' SENATOR who's running for PRESIDENT
Why is okay for Kerry to pass the buck - - "Gee, I just didn't notice I was being sold a bill of goods, I really would have made a better decision if I had noticed that I had swallowed a load of BS" - - "Golly, I just didn't take the time to read all that pesky paperwork, I'm sure I would have made a better decision if had bothered to do the absolute bare minimum required for my job" - - and it's a crime for Smirk to say the exact same thing?
Do you really think the President doesn't ever have to deal with folks trying to deceive him/her? You think there's no foreign leaders who lie to the President's face? You think there's no spies who try and con the President into some foreign policy blunder that benefits their country (or party)? You think there won't be people in a Kerry Admin with their own agenda who give the President bogus information to try and manipulate his decisions?
How do you know Kerry has the knowledge (and the people skills) to know when to trust people - - if this is an example of his critical thinking?
The other option is that Kerry knew very well what was going on, cyncially voted to go to war because it was very popular, and he knew he couldn't run for President in 2004 if he didn't - - and that "I didn't read the paper before I voted" is a pathetic attempt to cover himself now that the vote has become a political liability.
So which is he: incompetent or corrupt?
graphannette (68 posts) Thu Jul-15-04 07:56 AM
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55. Please stop criticizing Kerry
Kerry is our only hope of getting rid of Bush.
graphannette
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AlGore2004dotORG (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-15-04 12:08 PM
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77. Good grief. That's how the Republicans got stuck with Smirk
Because he was the only hope of getting rid of the Clinton dynasty. And all the Republican moderates crossed their fingers while they voted for Smirk and hoped he would govern differently than he campaigned. Look at how well that worked out for them.
If Kerry is such a bad candidate that he can't be criticized about anything, especially for his decisions about major votes like whether to authorize a war, then we're toast from the get go. Or are we supposed to be like the Republicans were, insisting that the Emperor is wearing a gold plated tuxedo with matching spats when he's obviously wandering around in his underoos?
Besides, it's going to take one hell of a lot more than a different President to turn this country around. We have to win back control of the Congress. And we have to hold Congressfolks accountable for bad decisions. It is our constitutional duty.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=686202
It's kinda the crux of the matter and there are many intelligent posts so you might want to read
http://tinyurl.com/5wo3w
Thursday, July 15, 2004
Friday, July 09, 2004
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by Tielsch (Tielsch at forclark dot com) on 07/09/2004 01:57:46 PM EST
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Since I am now safely ensconced in a Free Speech Zone, I just have to ask Mr. Kerry and his running mate this question -
How many people will have to die before you admit that this war was a mistake?
by Tielsch (Tielsch at forclark dot com) on 07/09/2004 01:57:46 PM EST
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Since I am now safely ensconced in a Free Speech Zone, I just have to ask Mr. Kerry and his running mate this question -
How many people will have to die before you admit that this war was a mistake?
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by aztsmom (aztsmom at forclark dot com) on 07/09/2004 01:52:18 PM EST
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Got this from a fellow Clark supporter here in AZ this AM...too good not to post...
"Five surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients to operate
on.
The first surgeon says, "I like to see accountants on my operating
table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."
The second responds, "Yeah, but you should try electricians!
Everything inside them is color coded."
The third surgeon says, "No, I really think librarians are the best.
Everything inside is in alphabetical order."
The fourth surgeon chimes in: "You know, I like construction
workers.Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would."
But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed: "You're
all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts,no heart, no balls, no brains and no spine, and the head and the ass are
interchangeable."
This is about the best explanation I've seen regarding WHY General Clark was unsuccessful this spring: he has GUTS, HEART, ...., BRAINS AND SPINE...with NO INTERCHANGEABLE parts!!
by aztsmom (aztsmom at forclark dot com) on 07/09/2004 01:52:18 PM EST
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Got this from a fellow Clark supporter here in AZ this AM...too good not to post...
"Five surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients to operate
on.
The first surgeon says, "I like to see accountants on my operating
table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."
The second responds, "Yeah, but you should try electricians!
Everything inside them is color coded."
The third surgeon says, "No, I really think librarians are the best.
Everything inside is in alphabetical order."
The fourth surgeon chimes in: "You know, I like construction
workers.Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would."
But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed: "You're
all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts,no heart, no balls, no brains and no spine, and the head and the ass are
interchangeable."
This is about the best explanation I've seen regarding WHY General Clark was unsuccessful this spring: he has GUTS, HEART, ...., BRAINS AND SPINE...with NO INTERCHANGEABLE parts!!
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by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/09/2004 01:48:23 PM EST
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Anybody remember the line from M*A*S*H*, "What are they gonna do? Bend my dog tags and send me to Korea?" [We used to use that the whole time we were stationed there!]
Hubby now has a new one: "What are they gonna do? Bend our dog tags and send our son to Iraq?"
by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/09/2004 01:48:23 PM EST
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Anybody remember the line from M*A*S*H*, "What are they gonna do? Bend my dog tags and send me to Korea?" [We used to use that the whole time we were stationed there!]
Hubby now has a new one: "What are they gonna do? Bend our dog tags and send our son to Iraq?"
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by Anonymous on 07/09/2004 01:35:13 PM EST
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csmmm, or whatever:
This is a free speech zone (it always has been), so you are entitled to say whatever you like, provided you do not berate other bloggers, make racial slurs, etc. If you do so, you will be rated down. And even if your comments are not "we should do what I THINK General Clark wants us to do", you still might be rated down. Here's the point: You have be whinning for days about "I don't think General Clark would want us to use his forum to say bad things about the ticket" and "I don't think Gen. Clark would want us to say anything the republicans could use against the ticket", blah, blah, blah. Okay, that is what you think. Fine. I think we have all heard it by now. But I find it somewhat sanctimonious of you to try to tell us what we can and cannot say. It reminds me of, er, the REPUBLICANS!
A bit of advice: Give it a rest! There are basically three different groups here, and all should be respected and not told HOW to think, or what they can and cannot say.
Group A: Those who have never liked John E., who have been consistently saying it would be a bad choice, and are pissed off that Kerry selected someone so unqualified. These folks are not upset that it isn't Clark, they are upset that it is Edwards. They are upset that no one in the party seems to 'get' what they 'get', which is, foreign policy matters in a VP. These folks are entitled to express their disgust without being criticized for speaking their mind.
Group B: Those who are pissed off that it isn't General Clark who feel 1) robbed of their primary vote, 2) robbed of their opportunity to support true 'greatness' in the White House and Democratic Party, and 3) really quite upset that a man of little substance was chosen over General Clark. These folks are entitled to express their disgust without being criticized for speaking their mind.
Group C: Those who are indifferent to Edwards, or actually like him, and will only say great things about the ticket. But they do not berate others who feel differently, and they do not tell group A and group B what they should or should not think.
And then there is you: Telling others what they should and should not think, and what General Clark does or does not want to hear on this blog. You know what? I think that if General Clark wanted us to just follow the establishment blindly, he would say so himself. Instead, he asked us, IF WE CAN, to support Kerry. He didn't demand it. He didn't stiffle our dissent. And to be honest with you, I don't think he ever would, regardless of whether or not we 'dissent' on a blog with his name attached to it.
So do us all a favor--let us say what we want to say without being constantly ridiculed by you. We are all adults here, and I hardly think we need a babysitter, or any one else, to try to stiffle our dissent.
Kramer
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by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/09/2004 01:40:43 PM EST
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Anon 85: You forget, there is also a group of us who are also pissed off about the "Hey, Iraq is an issue on which good people can disagree...there's only 140,000 people this affects, and WTF gives a darm about them anyway...let's not talk about unpleasant things like war" part of the official Democratic Platform on which K/E are running.
by Anonymous on 07/09/2004 01:35:13 PM EST
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csmmm, or whatever:
This is a free speech zone (it always has been), so you are entitled to say whatever you like, provided you do not berate other bloggers, make racial slurs, etc. If you do so, you will be rated down. And even if your comments are not "we should do what I THINK General Clark wants us to do", you still might be rated down. Here's the point: You have be whinning for days about "I don't think General Clark would want us to use his forum to say bad things about the ticket" and "I don't think Gen. Clark would want us to say anything the republicans could use against the ticket", blah, blah, blah. Okay, that is what you think. Fine. I think we have all heard it by now. But I find it somewhat sanctimonious of you to try to tell us what we can and cannot say. It reminds me of, er, the REPUBLICANS!
A bit of advice: Give it a rest! There are basically three different groups here, and all should be respected and not told HOW to think, or what they can and cannot say.
Group A: Those who have never liked John E., who have been consistently saying it would be a bad choice, and are pissed off that Kerry selected someone so unqualified. These folks are not upset that it isn't Clark, they are upset that it is Edwards. They are upset that no one in the party seems to 'get' what they 'get', which is, foreign policy matters in a VP. These folks are entitled to express their disgust without being criticized for speaking their mind.
Group B: Those who are pissed off that it isn't General Clark who feel 1) robbed of their primary vote, 2) robbed of their opportunity to support true 'greatness' in the White House and Democratic Party, and 3) really quite upset that a man of little substance was chosen over General Clark. These folks are entitled to express their disgust without being criticized for speaking their mind.
Group C: Those who are indifferent to Edwards, or actually like him, and will only say great things about the ticket. But they do not berate others who feel differently, and they do not tell group A and group B what they should or should not think.
And then there is you: Telling others what they should and should not think, and what General Clark does or does not want to hear on this blog. You know what? I think that if General Clark wanted us to just follow the establishment blindly, he would say so himself. Instead, he asked us, IF WE CAN, to support Kerry. He didn't demand it. He didn't stiffle our dissent. And to be honest with you, I don't think he ever would, regardless of whether or not we 'dissent' on a blog with his name attached to it.
So do us all a favor--let us say what we want to say without being constantly ridiculed by you. We are all adults here, and I hardly think we need a babysitter, or any one else, to try to stiffle our dissent.
Kramer
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by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/09/2004 01:40:43 PM EST
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Anon 85: You forget, there is also a group of us who are also pissed off about the "Hey, Iraq is an issue on which good people can disagree...there's only 140,000 people this affects, and WTF gives a darm about them anyway...let's not talk about unpleasant things like war" part of the official Democratic Platform on which K/E are running.
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by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/09/2004 12:34:01 PM EST
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I have a message for the self-righteous who are trying to tell me to drink the Kool-Aid:
Bite me. People in Iraq are trying to kill my son every single day. I take that personally, and see no reason to be optimistic about a damned thing. I will not shut up and go with the flow when the DNC and Presidential/VP nominees are trying to distort the truth, rewrite history, and/or divert attention from what is going on in Iraq. I saw Kerry on tv making mamby-pamby statements about intelligence being inaccurate, but he STILL says he would have gone to war against Iraq, Saddam was a tyrant, a threat, would have gone about it different ways, yada, yada, yada.
Kerry is trying to have his cake and eat it too. I've heard other Senators come out and say that they would have never voted in favor of the IWR if the knew then, what they know now. Kerry has not, and will not. Neither will Edwards, even though 5 of the other Dems on the Intelligence Committee voted against the IWR - and Rockefeller, the ranking Dem member, who initially voted for the IWR said months ago that he was lied to, misled, and that his vote was a mistake.
by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/09/2004 12:34:01 PM EST
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I have a message for the self-righteous who are trying to tell me to drink the Kool-Aid:
Bite me. People in Iraq are trying to kill my son every single day. I take that personally, and see no reason to be optimistic about a damned thing. I will not shut up and go with the flow when the DNC and Presidential/VP nominees are trying to distort the truth, rewrite history, and/or divert attention from what is going on in Iraq. I saw Kerry on tv making mamby-pamby statements about intelligence being inaccurate, but he STILL says he would have gone to war against Iraq, Saddam was a tyrant, a threat, would have gone about it different ways, yada, yada, yada.
Kerry is trying to have his cake and eat it too. I've heard other Senators come out and say that they would have never voted in favor of the IWR if the knew then, what they know now. Kerry has not, and will not. Neither will Edwards, even though 5 of the other Dems on the Intelligence Committee voted against the IWR - and Rockefeller, the ranking Dem member, who initially voted for the IWR said months ago that he was lied to, misled, and that his vote was a mistake.
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by John in Houston on 07/09/2004 10:37:35 AM EST
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C4 reported the other day that TC was so mad she told her she'd love to have the smell of tear gas in her hair one last time. LOL. That is sooooooo TC. It's just a classic line. Viva TC!
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by JasonFromWaltham on 07/09/2004 11:39:57 AM EST
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When I delivered General Clark's signed book to TC back in December we had a long conversation in which she provided me with the secret recipie for getting that smell out. It was good old tomato juice. Lather rinse repeat! :D
by John in Houston on 07/09/2004 10:37:35 AM EST
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C4 reported the other day that TC was so mad she told her she'd love to have the smell of tear gas in her hair one last time. LOL. That is sooooooo TC. It's just a classic line. Viva TC!
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by JasonFromWaltham on 07/09/2004 11:39:57 AM EST
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When I delivered General Clark's signed book to TC back in December we had a long conversation in which she provided me with the secret recipie for getting that smell out. It was good old tomato juice. Lather rinse repeat! :D
Thursday, July 08, 2004
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by C4Clark on 07/08/2004 10:31:02 AM EST
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I find particularly offensive posts like the following:
"Anyone meeting Senator Kerry personally, just take the opportunity to tell him that you are a Wes Clark supporter. He'll tell you how much he loves Wes Clark. He really does seem to respect him and the comments seem genuine. I personally felt that he and Wes seem to have an understanding. I don't think Wes ever wanted to be VP. I think there's something else in store for him and he is happy with it. Just personal opinions here."
CherylP in Minnesota
Since CherylP works for the Kerry campaign, I guess she thinks adding "just personal opinions here" will enable Camp Kerry to use this later to deflect any outrage from Clark supporters when this doesn't happen. That's like George Bush disclaiming responsibility for what was done to McCain in SC.
You are making it very difficult to even vote for your ticket, much less actively promote it.
Bec, RIGHT EFFING ON!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could give you 1000 5's for this post!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by C4Clark on 07/08/2004 10:31:02 AM EST
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I find particularly offensive posts like the following:
"Anyone meeting Senator Kerry personally, just take the opportunity to tell him that you are a Wes Clark supporter. He'll tell you how much he loves Wes Clark. He really does seem to respect him and the comments seem genuine. I personally felt that he and Wes seem to have an understanding. I don't think Wes ever wanted to be VP. I think there's something else in store for him and he is happy with it. Just personal opinions here."
CherylP in Minnesota
Since CherylP works for the Kerry campaign, I guess she thinks adding "just personal opinions here" will enable Camp Kerry to use this later to deflect any outrage from Clark supporters when this doesn't happen. That's like George Bush disclaiming responsibility for what was done to McCain in SC.
You are making it very difficult to even vote for your ticket, much less actively promote it.
Bec, RIGHT EFFING ON!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could give you 1000 5's for this post!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by mkieler on 07/08/2004 09:03:42 AM EST
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I've been re-reading the Harry Potter books, this time in French.
I'm on book 2, and John Edwards reminds me of Gilderoy Lockhart--the girls love him but he has no substance. They're not identical, but I was just thinking they are similar.
any harry potter fans here?
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by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com) on 07/08/2004 09:06:15 AM EST
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by HollyC (HollyC@forclark.com) on 07/08/2004 09:44:49 AM EST
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I loved Kenneth Branaugh as Gilderoy- new SOMW nickname, yee-hoo! His version of Hamlet is my favorite movie, a masterpiece.
JE is like Lockhart- his disguise quickly wears thin, he gets himself in serious trouble fast & has to be bailed out. He has exactly ONE trick, the memory charm & that cycles very quickly (through media, it's already over...)
Unfortunately, Clarkies may be at Hogwart's, but as a nation we are in Voldemorts lair
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Me, me! And remember, beneath the charming exterior, Lochart was hiding a dark secret (a magic trick that allowed him to take credit for the achievements of others. We call it here "the media")
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by ET on 07/08/2004 09:10:58 AM EST
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John Edwards reminds me of the congressional candidate in the TV show the Dead Zone. He is the one Johnny thinks brings about the end of the world.
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by mkieler on 07/08/2004 09:10:03 AM EST
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You're so right Robbed! Edwards has the media as his secret weapon.
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by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com) on 07/08/2004 09:23:28 AM EST
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Ah, but remember the lesson from the story: the memory charm backfired on Lockart as he was using someone else's wand. The media was never really Edwards's weapon - only temporary posession.
I am waiting for the act II of this sharade. I will not enjoy being right anymore than I enjoyed being right about the war.
by mkieler on 07/08/2004 09:03:42 AM EST
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I've been re-reading the Harry Potter books, this time in French.
I'm on book 2, and John Edwards reminds me of Gilderoy Lockhart--the girls love him but he has no substance. They're not identical, but I was just thinking they are similar.
any harry potter fans here?
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by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com) on 07/08/2004 09:06:15 AM EST
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by HollyC (HollyC@forclark.com) on 07/08/2004 09:44:49 AM EST
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I loved Kenneth Branaugh as Gilderoy- new SOMW nickname, yee-hoo! His version of Hamlet is my favorite movie, a masterpiece.
JE is like Lockhart- his disguise quickly wears thin, he gets himself in serious trouble fast & has to be bailed out. He has exactly ONE trick, the memory charm & that cycles very quickly (through media, it's already over...)
Unfortunately, Clarkies may be at Hogwart's, but as a nation we are in Voldemorts lair
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Me, me! And remember, beneath the charming exterior, Lochart was hiding a dark secret (a magic trick that allowed him to take credit for the achievements of others. We call it here "the media")
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by ET on 07/08/2004 09:10:58 AM EST
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John Edwards reminds me of the congressional candidate in the TV show the Dead Zone. He is the one Johnny thinks brings about the end of the world.
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by mkieler on 07/08/2004 09:10:03 AM EST
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You're so right Robbed! Edwards has the media as his secret weapon.
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by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com) on 07/08/2004 09:23:28 AM EST
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Ah, but remember the lesson from the story: the memory charm backfired on Lockart as he was using someone else's wand. The media was never really Edwards's weapon - only temporary posession.
I am waiting for the act II of this sharade. I will not enjoy being right anymore than I enjoyed being right about the war.
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by Anonymous on 07/08/2004 07:53:05 AM EST
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I got up this morning, turned on CNN and actually heard Kerry end a speech with "And we've got better hair." The banner under the ridiculous scene said "Four soldiers killed today." Don't give me any more platitudes. When does the revolution start?
Patti from MN
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by Vicky (Vicky at forclark dot com) on 07/08/2004 07:57:59 AM EST
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The Revolution HAS started. Kerry just doesn't realize it yet. But Wes does.
by Anonymous on 07/08/2004 07:53:05 AM EST
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I got up this morning, turned on CNN and actually heard Kerry end a speech with "And we've got better hair." The banner under the ridiculous scene said "Four soldiers killed today." Don't give me any more platitudes. When does the revolution start?
Patti from MN
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by Vicky (Vicky at forclark dot com) on 07/08/2004 07:57:59 AM EST
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The Revolution HAS started. Kerry just doesn't realize it yet. But Wes does.
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by Anonymous on 07/08/2004 08:12:49 AM EST
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Hi there. I just happened upon this site while reminiscing of February. The thing is, I can't set up a name. Any who, my names Dan, I'm 16, Kentuckian and I liked Clark. Odd that there are more people here than at Kucinich's, who's still running.
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by Anonymous on 07/08/2004 08:18:34 AM EST
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I just have to respond to previous thread comment by Vespa that if Wes Clark wants to make another run he needs to add to his domestic resume. Why would a leader need a domestic resume if he doesn't need a national security resume?
As if I wasn't sick enough with the VP choice, the "better hair" comment really did me in. I for one, want something under the hair.
Again, Wes Clark (thank you) for allowing me to dream for a few months.
by Anonymous on 07/08/2004 08:12:49 AM EST
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Hi there. I just happened upon this site while reminiscing of February. The thing is, I can't set up a name. Any who, my names Dan, I'm 16, Kentuckian and I liked Clark. Odd that there are more people here than at Kucinich's, who's still running.
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by Anonymous on 07/08/2004 08:18:34 AM EST
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I just have to respond to previous thread comment by Vespa that if Wes Clark wants to make another run he needs to add to his domestic resume. Why would a leader need a domestic resume if he doesn't need a national security resume?
As if I wasn't sick enough with the VP choice, the "better hair" comment really did me in. I for one, want something under the hair.
Again, Wes Clark (thank you) for allowing me to dream for a few months.
Wednesday, July 07, 2004
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by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com) on 07/07/2004 06:19:24 PM EST
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When you believe in the matinee idol attraction thingy, you forget one thing: before rove made him into the stiff robot who invented the internet, a serial liar, Gore was a boy scout - impeccable integrity, intelligence. Hmm, I wonder what will happen to Hairball a few Quayle jokes later? Remember, simpletons are only made to look likeable if they have an "R" next to their name. They still have the microphone. letting the media pick is a big mistake when the media works for the other guy - the "good simpleton"
by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com) on 07/07/2004 06:19:24 PM EST
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When you believe in the matinee idol attraction thingy, you forget one thing: before rove made him into the stiff robot who invented the internet, a serial liar, Gore was a boy scout - impeccable integrity, intelligence. Hmm, I wonder what will happen to Hairball a few Quayle jokes later? Remember, simpletons are only made to look likeable if they have an "R" next to their name. They still have the microphone. letting the media pick is a big mistake when the media works for the other guy - the "good simpleton"
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by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 12:25:05 AM EST
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This is David from Iraq. I talked to my mom a little while ago and she sure is bummed. I haven't looked at this website for a long time, I thought it shut down a long time ago. I can't believe how much stuff my mom wrote on here; dad said she's been obsessed ever since I left for Iraq. I feel so lucky to have a mom who will speak out like this; so many people are scared to. Dad said she has received threatening calls and e-mails and he is worried. Thanks to all of you who have said nice things and prayed for us. Dad never liked Kerry and it looks like he was right.
by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 12:25:05 AM EST
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This is David from Iraq. I talked to my mom a little while ago and she sure is bummed. I haven't looked at this website for a long time, I thought it shut down a long time ago. I can't believe how much stuff my mom wrote on here; dad said she's been obsessed ever since I left for Iraq. I feel so lucky to have a mom who will speak out like this; so many people are scared to. Dad said she has received threatening calls and e-mails and he is worried. Thanks to all of you who have said nice things and prayed for us. Dad never liked Kerry and it looks like he was right.
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by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/07/2004 05:41:14 PM EST
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Please. Get the facts before you speak. Go research the speeches of Edwards and Kerry from the time of the IWR and leading up to the invasion of Iraq. They were trash talking trying to be tougher than Bush...while at the same time, Clark, Odom, Zinni, Shinseki, Clarke, O'Neill, et.al. were speaking out loudly and publicly about the invasion and lack of threat.
Sorry, I'm not giving a free pass to anyone who put my son in danger.
by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/07/2004 05:41:14 PM EST
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Please. Get the facts before you speak. Go research the speeches of Edwards and Kerry from the time of the IWR and leading up to the invasion of Iraq. They were trash talking trying to be tougher than Bush...while at the same time, Clark, Odom, Zinni, Shinseki, Clarke, O'Neill, et.al. were speaking out loudly and publicly about the invasion and lack of threat.
Sorry, I'm not giving a free pass to anyone who put my son in danger.
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by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/07/2004 05:07:17 PM EST
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What a couple of days! Last night, David called and I couldn't speak to him for long because I was feeling ill. Anyway, my husband spoke with him and told him what a bad day I had yesterday.
I didn't mention this last night because I was unsure how to handle it, but yesterday I received numerous threats via e-mail and 2 threats via phone. The E-mails were sent to my "real" e-mail address, not the political & public one here. The e-mails and calls did not have a Freeper tone, but because of a pending investigation, I cannot say more than that. Apparently, some of my comments hit a little close to home for a few people and they want to shut me up. That's NOT going to happen. The tone of the e-mails, as well as the specifics mentioned therein were extortionary and referenced personal information not readily avaiable. In addition, two reporters that I know also contacted me asking questions, indicating that they had been sicced on me. The matters have been reported to federal authorities, and of course, in this big brother world of ours, the culprits will be easily found.
I was shocked that David posted online last night. I had no idea until I read my e-mail this afternoon. He hasn't gotten his laptop yet, but his battle buddy already has one. David sent me an e-mail saying that he wanted to see what the hell happenned online yesterday after my husband told him about how upset I was and about the threats, and that he wanted to thank everyone for their support. I cried when I read what he wrote. The fact that I've been attacked doesn't intimidate me, it makes me more determined.
By the way, it's easy to be an optimist when your family isn't being asked to sacrifice.
by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/07/2004 05:07:17 PM EST
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What a couple of days! Last night, David called and I couldn't speak to him for long because I was feeling ill. Anyway, my husband spoke with him and told him what a bad day I had yesterday.
I didn't mention this last night because I was unsure how to handle it, but yesterday I received numerous threats via e-mail and 2 threats via phone. The E-mails were sent to my "real" e-mail address, not the political & public one here. The e-mails and calls did not have a Freeper tone, but because of a pending investigation, I cannot say more than that. Apparently, some of my comments hit a little close to home for a few people and they want to shut me up. That's NOT going to happen. The tone of the e-mails, as well as the specifics mentioned therein were extortionary and referenced personal information not readily avaiable. In addition, two reporters that I know also contacted me asking questions, indicating that they had been sicced on me. The matters have been reported to federal authorities, and of course, in this big brother world of ours, the culprits will be easily found.
I was shocked that David posted online last night. I had no idea until I read my e-mail this afternoon. He hasn't gotten his laptop yet, but his battle buddy already has one. David sent me an e-mail saying that he wanted to see what the hell happenned online yesterday after my husband told him about how upset I was and about the threats, and that he wanted to thank everyone for their support. I cried when I read what he wrote. The fact that I've been attacked doesn't intimidate me, it makes me more determined.
By the way, it's easy to be an optimist when your family isn't being asked to sacrifice.
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by julianyc (julianyc at forclark dot com) on 07/07/2004 03:07:56 PM EST
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How is that against the two Johns. I'm sorry, but they are real assholes over there. Edwards is VP. Hooray for them, they won. Now don't you think they would want to reach out to people like Clarkies or people whose number one issue is Security. It's like they are doing everthing possible so that we don't vote for them. If it wasn't for Wes putting so much hard work into getting Kerry elected I think I would just stay home (I live in NY and my vote doesn't really count). What is wrong with your question? You would think that the campaign would be interested in what we think concerning the place he is deemed the weakest!
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by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 03:07:55 PM EST
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OMG I hope we're not heading into another administration of "all criticism & dissent verboten"...I hope that's not what they mean by "optimism". So tired of things being called names that have nothing to do with their meanings for PR & political purposes. We need to stop manipulating the language this way---so Orwellian! They've already managed to make me cringe whenever I hear "freedom" because they've hijacked it to connote every unsavory manipulation from war to oppression. ugh
ms in la
by julianyc (julianyc at forclark dot com) on 07/07/2004 03:07:56 PM EST
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How is that against the two Johns. I'm sorry, but they are real assholes over there. Edwards is VP. Hooray for them, they won. Now don't you think they would want to reach out to people like Clarkies or people whose number one issue is Security. It's like they are doing everthing possible so that we don't vote for them. If it wasn't for Wes putting so much hard work into getting Kerry elected I think I would just stay home (I live in NY and my vote doesn't really count). What is wrong with your question? You would think that the campaign would be interested in what we think concerning the place he is deemed the weakest!
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by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 03:07:55 PM EST
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OMG I hope we're not heading into another administration of "all criticism & dissent verboten"...I hope that's not what they mean by "optimism". So tired of things being called names that have nothing to do with their meanings for PR & political purposes. We need to stop manipulating the language this way---so Orwellian! They've already managed to make me cringe whenever I hear "freedom" because they've hijacked it to connote every unsavory manipulation from war to oppression. ugh
ms in la
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by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/06/2004 10:23:02 AM EST
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Kerry does not care about Wes Clark. When that horrible leak came out in the WaPo from Kerry's staff, I knew what the road looked like. I received a call from the Kerry campaign that afternoon. My message wass that if--if--I voted for Kerry, I did not know how I could beg god to forgive me.
Wes Clark cares about his country and his military family. I'm sure he is enduring all of this for all the right reasons or so he thinks.
by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/06/2004 10:23:02 AM EST
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Kerry does not care about Wes Clark. When that horrible leak came out in the WaPo from Kerry's staff, I knew what the road looked like. I received a call from the Kerry campaign that afternoon. My message wass that if--if--I voted for Kerry, I did not know how I could beg god to forgive me.
Wes Clark cares about his country and his military family. I'm sure he is enduring all of this for all the right reasons or so he thinks.
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by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/06/2004 12:01:26 PM EST
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Joan_I appreciate your positive thoughts, please believe me when I tell you that. Nevertheless, Kerry and the Democratic Party have treated Wes Clark with absolute distain. And Edwards maybe more than willing to talk, but he does not speak for me. There's the rub. Edwards and Kerry have stood for everything that I have opposed about the bush administration. General Shelton is the cherry on the sunday.
So now Wesley Clark is out there speaking against the war and the conduct of the war; however, he is speaking alone and without a mic.
So while I would love to join you in believing in a better day; I am sadly unable to do so.
I have never believed that Wes Clark would have a role to play in a possible Kerry administration and today only reinforces that belief.
by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/06/2004 12:01:26 PM EST
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Joan_I appreciate your positive thoughts, please believe me when I tell you that. Nevertheless, Kerry and the Democratic Party have treated Wes Clark with absolute distain. And Edwards maybe more than willing to talk, but he does not speak for me. There's the rub. Edwards and Kerry have stood for everything that I have opposed about the bush administration. General Shelton is the cherry on the sunday.
So now Wesley Clark is out there speaking against the war and the conduct of the war; however, he is speaking alone and without a mic.
So while I would love to join you in believing in a better day; I am sadly unable to do so.
I have never believed that Wes Clark would have a role to play in a possible Kerry administration and today only reinforces that belief.
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by John in Houston on 07/07/2004 10:31:24 AM EST
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KnightRider
I have a gnawing feeling in my gut that the process of selecting the whole ticket was over by....oh, say Christmas. Clark and all of us were used to get Dean out of the way. Then the lights went out. Now, here we are in July waking up in bed with a couple of...I love the term used upthread...party apparatchiks.
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by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/07/2004 10:29:21 AM EST
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Goodmorning Joan. Nope not a troll...and in fact just a long time Clark supporter who is ready to move on. I came to General Clark because of a recommendation by a politically minded woman who worked for Wellstone, and she was correct.
Being on dial up and having just posted a happy post, I've not read everything. I gave some my views but will not continue. I am very anti-war, so watching the ticket take shape has given me no solace.
Time out.
by John in Houston on 07/07/2004 10:31:24 AM EST
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KnightRider
I have a gnawing feeling in my gut that the process of selecting the whole ticket was over by....oh, say Christmas. Clark and all of us were used to get Dean out of the way. Then the lights went out. Now, here we are in July waking up in bed with a couple of...I love the term used upthread...party apparatchiks.
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by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/07/2004 10:29:21 AM EST
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Goodmorning Joan. Nope not a troll...and in fact just a long time Clark supporter who is ready to move on. I came to General Clark because of a recommendation by a politically minded woman who worked for Wellstone, and she was correct.
Being on dial up and having just posted a happy post, I've not read everything. I gave some my views but will not continue. I am very anti-war, so watching the ticket take shape has given me no solace.
Time out.
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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 07/07/2004 10:35:21 AM EST
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"For those of you curious about Donna Z. I am alarmed that she is contacting so many of us with a story that she says she wants "to keep under the radar". She is not a blogger here so I have concluded that she is just another troll-- a very clever one. Ignore."
Okay, that pretty much does it for me! I thought I said my good-byes rather nicely last night, but I'd think I'd rather go out this way...
joandarc, DonnaZ is INDEED a blogger here. And, a pretty "connected" one, too. What about her e-mail has you so worried? And WHY are you worried?
I would thank warn you that casting aspersions on ANY BLOGGER HERE by calling them a "Troll" because what they have written could make you or people you know look bad, feel bad, seem bad, WHATEVER is as bad as Bush enforcing FREE SPEECH ZONES at his protests. It's FASCIST. I don't appreciate it.
You are releatively new here, yourself. One might do well to ask where YOU came from and WHY you are here. But, none of us weree that impolite when you came in ans started posting like you owned the place.
So, I am asking you to APOLOGIZE for the aspersion to Donna's identity, and for identifying her as a troll. We Clarkies have put up with JUST ABOUT ENOUGH of this interference and bullshit to last a lifetime. Should no apology be forthcoming, I am asking all who read this to assume YOU ARE THE TROLL.
Man, I woke up ANGRY this morning, and this post has just put me over-the-top.
DONNA Z, you have mail! I think we need to get your story out there NOW! Seems there are people who don't LIKE WHAT IT HAD TO SAY.
-- TC
P.S. Now I AM outta here!
I'll miss you all. Remember what I said last night. You are a blessing to me!
by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 07/07/2004 10:35:21 AM EST
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"For those of you curious about Donna Z. I am alarmed that she is contacting so many of us with a story that she says she wants "to keep under the radar". She is not a blogger here so I have concluded that she is just another troll-- a very clever one. Ignore."
Okay, that pretty much does it for me! I thought I said my good-byes rather nicely last night, but I'd think I'd rather go out this way...
joandarc, DonnaZ is INDEED a blogger here. And, a pretty "connected" one, too. What about her e-mail has you so worried? And WHY are you worried?
I would thank warn you that casting aspersions on ANY BLOGGER HERE by calling them a "Troll" because what they have written could make you or people you know look bad, feel bad, seem bad, WHATEVER is as bad as Bush enforcing FREE SPEECH ZONES at his protests. It's FASCIST. I don't appreciate it.
You are releatively new here, yourself. One might do well to ask where YOU came from and WHY you are here. But, none of us weree that impolite when you came in ans started posting like you owned the place.
So, I am asking you to APOLOGIZE for the aspersion to Donna's identity, and for identifying her as a troll. We Clarkies have put up with JUST ABOUT ENOUGH of this interference and bullshit to last a lifetime. Should no apology be forthcoming, I am asking all who read this to assume YOU ARE THE TROLL.
Man, I woke up ANGRY this morning, and this post has just put me over-the-top.
DONNA Z, you have mail! I think we need to get your story out there NOW! Seems there are people who don't LIKE WHAT IT HAD TO SAY.
-- TC
P.S. Now I AM outta here!
I'll miss you all. Remember what I said last night. You are a blessing to me!
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by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 10:39:41 AM EST
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"I was angry because I felt I both protective of Clark, feeling that he had been fooled also, and disappointed that he had either not known better or had been in on the plan. And yes, I do think this was the plan all along. We were all duped."
I agree that there was a plan and we were all duped. I pray Moore does a documentary exposing this whole slimy, manipulative process.
General Clark became involved in this process because of his passionate love for this country and for the men and women in uniform. They used this fact to their advantage. Clark is a brilliant man, but a man unschooled in the world of corrupt party politics. Therefore, no fault lies at the feet of General Clark.
I think many people are now aware that the political process in this country is seriously broken. We need a system that will give us great leaders who will put this country and its people first, not politicians who put their desire for power ahead of all else. Until this can be achieved, I really do fear for the future of our country.
by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 10:39:41 AM EST
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"I was angry because I felt I both protective of Clark, feeling that he had been fooled also, and disappointed that he had either not known better or had been in on the plan. And yes, I do think this was the plan all along. We were all duped."
I agree that there was a plan and we were all duped. I pray Moore does a documentary exposing this whole slimy, manipulative process.
General Clark became involved in this process because of his passionate love for this country and for the men and women in uniform. They used this fact to their advantage. Clark is a brilliant man, but a man unschooled in the world of corrupt party politics. Therefore, no fault lies at the feet of General Clark.
I think many people are now aware that the political process in this country is seriously broken. We need a system that will give us great leaders who will put this country and its people first, not politicians who put their desire for power ahead of all else. Until this can be achieved, I really do fear for the future of our country.
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by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com) on 07/07/2004 10:18:42 AM EST
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Sorry, Joan.
It is you peddling stories that I KNOW from the source that are not true. (Clark's dreaming of being SOD). In fact it was you, in your report from the democratic party Unity dinner who wrote: "We all agreed he shouldn't be VP" (never found out who "we" was)
Donna Z has been a blogger, DU-er, drafter friend of Wellstone and of Clark and highly respected by all of us REAL ACTIVISTS. You are now playing with fire slinging s* in the wrong direction. This is pathetic.
Lies will not get us dragged in. Voting against Bush is the most we can give and you make even this so much harder.
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by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/07/2004 10:18:31 AM EST
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The blog has always moved in waves. At times those waves have crested with joy brought on by a poll or a scrap of information. A big story could propell us through 600 happy posts. There are miles of posts scattered throughout, the flotsom and jettsom of the off thread kind. The threads contain plenty to read and ponder, but most of all the flow is the thing...things change, the weather clears, the storm moves across the horizon.
It was with that in mind that I mentioned to Catherine yesterday that the blog was having a "bad day." I wanted the forces that be to expect the worst. Now I hope that the waters can calm after the storm may the sun breakout. I'm willing to move on and hope that there are those who are with me. In many ways for me, yesterday was far worst than Feb. 12th because it contained a certain finality, a closure that left a void rather than a completion. Reading some of this mornings posts I'm hoping for a better day.
General Clark is an amazing person! He's doing his thing and I want him to succeed. Fortunately for the troops they have his voice. He is working to keep their story alive and in the news. He wants bush out of the WH! A woman at the rally was holding a homemade sign that said: "If you can do good, you should." She wasn't a blogger...just someone with the right stuff.
So keep posting and I'll be around later to check the weather. Personally, I don't want to hurt General Clark or anyone associated with him. I try to keep that in mind and hope that my keyboards gets the message.
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by joandarc (joandarc@nyc.rr.com) on 07/07/2004 10:18:23 AM EST
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My apologies to Donna Z. I'm not on the blog as much as some of you. I'm just too suspicious with all the trolling going on, I guess, and I am reluctant to accept what Donna has been implying--it seems she does have the credentials. Sorry all. I prize the energy I've had thus far to work against Bushco and it has been undermined somewhat. Maybe the best and only way is to just work for WesPAC. I'm much more miserable today than I was yesterday.
by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com) on 07/07/2004 10:18:42 AM EST
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Sorry, Joan.
It is you peddling stories that I KNOW from the source that are not true. (Clark's dreaming of being SOD). In fact it was you, in your report from the democratic party Unity dinner who wrote: "We all agreed he shouldn't be VP" (never found out who "we" was)
Donna Z has been a blogger, DU-er, drafter friend of Wellstone and of Clark and highly respected by all of us REAL ACTIVISTS. You are now playing with fire slinging s* in the wrong direction. This is pathetic.
Lies will not get us dragged in. Voting against Bush is the most we can give and you make even this so much harder.
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by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/07/2004 10:18:31 AM EST
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The blog has always moved in waves. At times those waves have crested with joy brought on by a poll or a scrap of information. A big story could propell us through 600 happy posts. There are miles of posts scattered throughout, the flotsom and jettsom of the off thread kind. The threads contain plenty to read and ponder, but most of all the flow is the thing...things change, the weather clears, the storm moves across the horizon.
It was with that in mind that I mentioned to Catherine yesterday that the blog was having a "bad day." I wanted the forces that be to expect the worst. Now I hope that the waters can calm after the storm may the sun breakout. I'm willing to move on and hope that there are those who are with me. In many ways for me, yesterday was far worst than Feb. 12th because it contained a certain finality, a closure that left a void rather than a completion. Reading some of this mornings posts I'm hoping for a better day.
General Clark is an amazing person! He's doing his thing and I want him to succeed. Fortunately for the troops they have his voice. He is working to keep their story alive and in the news. He wants bush out of the WH! A woman at the rally was holding a homemade sign that said: "If you can do good, you should." She wasn't a blogger...just someone with the right stuff.
So keep posting and I'll be around later to check the weather. Personally, I don't want to hurt General Clark or anyone associated with him. I try to keep that in mind and hope that my keyboards gets the message.
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by joandarc (joandarc@nyc.rr.com) on 07/07/2004 10:18:23 AM EST
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My apologies to Donna Z. I'm not on the blog as much as some of you. I'm just too suspicious with all the trolling going on, I guess, and I am reluctant to accept what Donna has been implying--it seems she does have the credentials. Sorry all. I prize the energy I've had thus far to work against Bushco and it has been undermined somewhat. Maybe the best and only way is to just work for WesPAC. I'm much more miserable today than I was yesterday.
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by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 08:33:36 AM EST
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WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
PLEASE READ THIS NOW!!!!
The "entity" that has invaded the CCN is from The DNC. They are here to "manage" us until this blog can be shut down. It is too dangerous to allow us to keep venting this way. They are trying to guilt-trip, frighten, and/or steer us to a more POLITIC attitude about what has happened. Their aim is to get as many of us to "see the light" and "go over to the Kerry/Edwards side" A S A P.
Eyes and ears are upon us now. This blog and it's free-wheeling speech is a danger to their plan to get us all on the Kerry Wagon now that THE SELL-OUT has occurred. It is up to each and every one of you what you decide to do, or which way you choose to support this ticket. I am not here to tell you to support or not support it, I am asking you to be aware that YOU ARE BEING HANDLED RIGHT NOW. people who are very well-trained (and probably paid) are here to SPREAD PROPOGANDA, to tell you what to feel, who to trust, and that you should feel guilty about your affiliation with ANYONE BUT KERRY. They want to make sure that, when your grief has subsided, YOU ARE ONBOARD IMMEDIATELY. Just KNOW that. IT IS A GUERILLA PSYCHE WAR here right now, and YOU ARE THE SUBJECTS.
There are even some bloggers who, knowingly or unknowingly are helping them with this. Names you recognize and probably trust because of that recognition. You will be able to tell who these people are by WHAT THEY ARE SAYING TO YOU. ----
"GENERAL CLARK NEVER WANTED TO BE VP" This is utter CRAP. Don't believe it. Charlie Rangel's rousing chant at the 4-Star Gala was NO ACCIDENT. Nor was his request to all of us to call our Rep.'s and Sen.'s. He would not have done that without Wes's OK. Wes wanted the VP spot.
"ALL THIS TALK IS SO BITTER." "YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO FEEL THIS WAY." -- OR ANY PHRASE THAT IMPLIES THAT your thinking IS erroneous...
Do NOT allow ANYONE, whether you know them or not, to tell you WHAT TO FEEL, WHAT TO SAY, WHAT TO DO, now that "the ticket has been chosen". You are some of the most intelligent, informed, and instinctual people I have ever met. If you are feeling "iffy" about something or someone or with what is being said -- FOLLOW YOUR OWN INSTINCTS! Thought control is the first step, and you must resist the propoganda being shoved down your throat surrepticiously.
This blog will be down by the end of the week. TRUST ME. As long as they are not in control IT IS A DANGEROUS PLACE for them. They will calm/convert those they can, and then shut the palce down, so the "talk" will stop. They cannot allow this to go on much longer.
As I said, I'm not telling you they are wrong, that you shouldn't "go" with their train of thought, how you should feel about what's happened. JUST KNOW YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED. Then, the decisions you make, at least, will be informed ones to some extent, and you will not be totally used.
BEWARE THE "FRIENDLY ADVICE" OF FELLOW BLOGGERS. BEWARE THE NAGGING VOICE OF THE ANONYMOUS TROLL TELLING YOU HOW TO FEEL, ETC. THEY'RE HEEEEEEEERRRRREEEEE...... Just know that.
by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 08:33:36 AM EST
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WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
PLEASE READ THIS NOW!!!!
The "entity" that has invaded the CCN is from The DNC. They are here to "manage" us until this blog can be shut down. It is too dangerous to allow us to keep venting this way. They are trying to guilt-trip, frighten, and/or steer us to a more POLITIC attitude about what has happened. Their aim is to get as many of us to "see the light" and "go over to the Kerry/Edwards side" A S A P.
Eyes and ears are upon us now. This blog and it's free-wheeling speech is a danger to their plan to get us all on the Kerry Wagon now that THE SELL-OUT has occurred. It is up to each and every one of you what you decide to do, or which way you choose to support this ticket. I am not here to tell you to support or not support it, I am asking you to be aware that YOU ARE BEING HANDLED RIGHT NOW. people who are very well-trained (and probably paid) are here to SPREAD PROPOGANDA, to tell you what to feel, who to trust, and that you should feel guilty about your affiliation with ANYONE BUT KERRY. They want to make sure that, when your grief has subsided, YOU ARE ONBOARD IMMEDIATELY. Just KNOW that. IT IS A GUERILLA PSYCHE WAR here right now, and YOU ARE THE SUBJECTS.
There are even some bloggers who, knowingly or unknowingly are helping them with this. Names you recognize and probably trust because of that recognition. You will be able to tell who these people are by WHAT THEY ARE SAYING TO YOU. ----
"GENERAL CLARK NEVER WANTED TO BE VP" This is utter CRAP. Don't believe it. Charlie Rangel's rousing chant at the 4-Star Gala was NO ACCIDENT. Nor was his request to all of us to call our Rep.'s and Sen.'s. He would not have done that without Wes's OK. Wes wanted the VP spot.
"ALL THIS TALK IS SO BITTER." "YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO FEEL THIS WAY." -- OR ANY PHRASE THAT IMPLIES THAT your thinking IS erroneous...
Do NOT allow ANYONE, whether you know them or not, to tell you WHAT TO FEEL, WHAT TO SAY, WHAT TO DO, now that "the ticket has been chosen". You are some of the most intelligent, informed, and instinctual people I have ever met. If you are feeling "iffy" about something or someone or with what is being said -- FOLLOW YOUR OWN INSTINCTS! Thought control is the first step, and you must resist the propoganda being shoved down your throat surrepticiously.
This blog will be down by the end of the week. TRUST ME. As long as they are not in control IT IS A DANGEROUS PLACE for them. They will calm/convert those they can, and then shut the palce down, so the "talk" will stop. They cannot allow this to go on much longer.
As I said, I'm not telling you they are wrong, that you shouldn't "go" with their train of thought, how you should feel about what's happened. JUST KNOW YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED. Then, the decisions you make, at least, will be informed ones to some extent, and you will not be totally used.
BEWARE THE "FRIENDLY ADVICE" OF FELLOW BLOGGERS. BEWARE THE NAGGING VOICE OF THE ANONYMOUS TROLL TELLING YOU HOW TO FEEL, ETC. THEY'RE HEEEEEEEERRRRREEEEE...... Just know that.
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by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 05:21:14 AM EST
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Hi Noel,
Couldn't sleep any longer. I feel like we're long fast friends although I've just read your many posts. I'm a retired intercity school teacher. Gave thirty years of my life teaching kids the ideals of the american dream. So many of them joined the military just to come home and get an education. The saddest thing is my inner city kids have the street smarts to see through a Kerry and Edwards so fast. Multi millionaires and how you get to be one protecting their rights? It's people like me who were willing to forgo making oodles of money and go into the inner city and try to make a difference that protect their rights. I just feel like such a failure. How did we let these monsters get such a hold on what is supposed to be our Democracy?
Patti from MN /
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by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 04:31:31 AM EST
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General Clark is being used by Kerry just like Bush used General Zinni in 2000. Tell the politicians to go F themselves, sir, and speak out on the issues you care about. Zinni said he'll never make the mistake of endorsing a candidate again.
We need a bi-partisan PAC of military people to tell all of them what to do. All of these military people, retired and on active duty, who believed that Kerry cared about them...think how betrayed the ones who leaked the Halliburton Pentagon memo or the abu ghraib pictures must feel.
Was that Armymom's David on the last thread? Who has been threatening her? The PNAC'ers? FREEPERS? Armymom, you know I've got your back. Come see us on Golden Eagles' site.
Clarkies, you are good people. Keep up the fight.
G4VP
by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 05:21:14 AM EST
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Hi Noel,
Couldn't sleep any longer. I feel like we're long fast friends although I've just read your many posts. I'm a retired intercity school teacher. Gave thirty years of my life teaching kids the ideals of the american dream. So many of them joined the military just to come home and get an education. The saddest thing is my inner city kids have the street smarts to see through a Kerry and Edwards so fast. Multi millionaires and how you get to be one protecting their rights? It's people like me who were willing to forgo making oodles of money and go into the inner city and try to make a difference that protect their rights. I just feel like such a failure. How did we let these monsters get such a hold on what is supposed to be our Democracy?
Patti from MN /
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by Anonymous on 07/07/2004 04:31:31 AM EST
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General Clark is being used by Kerry just like Bush used General Zinni in 2000. Tell the politicians to go F themselves, sir, and speak out on the issues you care about. Zinni said he'll never make the mistake of endorsing a candidate again.
We need a bi-partisan PAC of military people to tell all of them what to do. All of these military people, retired and on active duty, who believed that Kerry cared about them...think how betrayed the ones who leaked the Halliburton Pentagon memo or the abu ghraib pictures must feel.
Was that Armymom's David on the last thread? Who has been threatening her? The PNAC'ers? FREEPERS? Armymom, you know I've got your back. Come see us on Golden Eagles' site.
Clarkies, you are good people. Keep up the fight.
G4VP
Tuesday, July 06, 2004
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by richsezclark4prez (Rich in CLE - Clark Democrat) on 07/06/2004 10:22:48 AM EST
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This just in from the NYSE: Kleenex stock on the rise.
jfk & mcawful, you ignorant sluts! If it wasn't close before it certainly is now. somm was the least experienced, is FOR the war, wrote the g**d*****d Patriot Act (which is not patriotic, just a bad act), is a beltway guy, couldn't win nuthin in a closed primary (not even his OWN state!), had more repubs vote for him than any other candidate during the primary season (not bc they liked him; that he would be the easiest for GWB/rove to roll over) yada yada yada.
Nice goin'. Good luck, DNC, jfk, somm. Way to give bu$hco exactly what they wanted. My Clark04 sticker remains centered on my bumper.
General Clark, thank you for everything. I'll follow the old man wherever he wants to go...
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by Tielsch (Tielsch at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 10:21:18 AM EST
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And you think we trust John Kerry now to respect Wes? Especially after he leaves him hanging in the wind today in NH and ME at a press conference where the only questions will be about why he wasn't chosen?
Yeah, right.
by richsezclark4prez (Rich in CLE - Clark Democrat) on 07/06/2004 10:22:48 AM EST
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This just in from the NYSE: Kleenex stock on the rise.
jfk & mcawful, you ignorant sluts! If it wasn't close before it certainly is now. somm was the least experienced, is FOR the war, wrote the g**d*****d Patriot Act (which is not patriotic, just a bad act), is a beltway guy, couldn't win nuthin in a closed primary (not even his OWN state!), had more repubs vote for him than any other candidate during the primary season (not bc they liked him; that he would be the easiest for GWB/rove to roll over) yada yada yada.
Nice goin'. Good luck, DNC, jfk, somm. Way to give bu$hco exactly what they wanted. My Clark04 sticker remains centered on my bumper.
General Clark, thank you for everything. I'll follow the old man wherever he wants to go...
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by Tielsch (Tielsch at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 10:21:18 AM EST
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And you think we trust John Kerry now to respect Wes? Especially after he leaves him hanging in the wind today in NH and ME at a press conference where the only questions will be about why he wasn't chosen?
Yeah, right.
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by Tielsch (Tielsch at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 10:19:21 AM EST
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I'm usually a find-the-silver-lining kind of person.
Not too easy today, but I came up with this -
Mr. Kerry now gets all of those lovely Edwards supporters in his camp -- you know, the ones who hope he doesn't make to the election so their candidate can jump in and take over. The ones who posted that we should just bomb the Middle East because it's too hard a problem to solve. (I'm not making this up.)
Have fun, Mr. Kerry -- you deserve them.
by Tielsch (Tielsch at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 10:19:21 AM EST
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I'm usually a find-the-silver-lining kind of person.
Not too easy today, but I came up with this -
Mr. Kerry now gets all of those lovely Edwards supporters in his camp -- you know, the ones who hope he doesn't make to the election so their candidate can jump in and take over. The ones who posted that we should just bomb the Middle East because it's too hard a problem to solve. (I'm not making this up.)
Have fun, Mr. Kerry -- you deserve them.
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by WoofWoof (WoofWoof at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:50:41 AM EST
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TC, you did tell us, and for that reason, I always feared Kerry would be this stupid. To tell you the truth, I'm not disappointed.
I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
by WoofWoof (WoofWoof at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:50:41 AM EST
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TC, you did tell us, and for that reason, I always feared Kerry would be this stupid. To tell you the truth, I'm not disappointed.
I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
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by Dormaphaea (Dormaphaea at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:51:08 AM EST
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It's not about 'Not Clark'.
It's about "WTF do you mean Edwards???"
This is about perception and strength. Kerry folded to McAwful, plain and simple. This is a pressure choice. Because if Kerry is so damn smart, how on earth would he make this choice?
Sorry Wes. I cannot in good consience vote for your man.
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by KnightRider (A CLARK Democrat!) on 07/06/2004 09:51:19 AM EST
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"...New,.. and Stronger America? Sorry, I don't see it,. ..to me it's like "Operation Iraqi Freedom",... oxymoronic with Edwards on the ticket. Sadly, it's really the "same ole, same ole" ,....the mass may believe it, more Party bs.
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by Dormaphaea (Dormaphaea at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:51:08 AM EST
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It's not about 'Not Clark'.
It's about "WTF do you mean Edwards???"
This is about perception and strength. Kerry folded to McAwful, plain and simple. This is a pressure choice. Because if Kerry is so damn smart, how on earth would he make this choice?
Sorry Wes. I cannot in good consience vote for your man.
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by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/06/2004 09:51:07 AM EST
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My disgust with Kerry has nothing to do with the General, and everything to do with my 18 year old son. Kerry has betrayed my son and the 140,000 troops currently in Iraq by picking a lightweight who remains a cheerleader for the war, who was too cowardly to serve in the military when it was his time, and who hasn't done a damn thing for his constituents, including attending a single funeral of a soldier he sent to die in Iraq. I can't do a damn thing to save David now, but I can save my soon to be 13 year old from whatever wars Buschco starts in the second term...
Mark my words, the Bush 2004 Innauguration has already begun. Off to Hardees. Back later this afternoon.
Clark 2008!
by Dormaphaea (Dormaphaea at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:51:08 AM EST
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It's not about 'Not Clark'.
It's about "WTF do you mean Edwards???"
This is about perception and strength. Kerry folded to McAwful, plain and simple. This is a pressure choice. Because if Kerry is so damn smart, how on earth would he make this choice?
Sorry Wes. I cannot in good consience vote for your man.
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by KnightRider (A CLARK Democrat!) on 07/06/2004 09:51:19 AM EST
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"...New,.. and Stronger America? Sorry, I don't see it,. ..to me it's like "Operation Iraqi Freedom",... oxymoronic with Edwards on the ticket. Sadly, it's really the "same ole, same ole" ,....the mass may believe it, more Party bs.
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by Dormaphaea (Dormaphaea at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:51:08 AM EST
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It's not about 'Not Clark'.
It's about "WTF do you mean Edwards???"
This is about perception and strength. Kerry folded to McAwful, plain and simple. This is a pressure choice. Because if Kerry is so damn smart, how on earth would he make this choice?
Sorry Wes. I cannot in good consience vote for your man.
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by armymom (Armymom4Kerry@hotmail.com) on 07/06/2004 09:51:07 AM EST
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My disgust with Kerry has nothing to do with the General, and everything to do with my 18 year old son. Kerry has betrayed my son and the 140,000 troops currently in Iraq by picking a lightweight who remains a cheerleader for the war, who was too cowardly to serve in the military when it was his time, and who hasn't done a damn thing for his constituents, including attending a single funeral of a soldier he sent to die in Iraq. I can't do a damn thing to save David now, but I can save my soon to be 13 year old from whatever wars Buschco starts in the second term...
Mark my words, the Bush 2004 Innauguration has already begun. Off to Hardees. Back later this afternoon.
Clark 2008!
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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 07/06/2004 09:46:02 AM EST
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Sybil, my phone has been ringing off the hook (all the kids have called me -- BTW, C4C has asked me to give her regards to all of you. She's VERY pissed right now.)
I am feeling badly for all of YOU right now. I'm VERY medicated at this point, so I'm feeling no real "pain". I may even need to go and lay down very soon.
I only wish I could have convinced you all (Lord knows I tried), and maybe now wouldn't have been such a let-down. I should have triued to do a better job of it. I knew what K. was capable of, and when I saw THE KERRY MOMENT shaping up, I KNEW it meant he was going to do the EASY and the EXPEDIENT thing.
I think I'm okay. I've cried. I've shouted. I chose something that had no sentimental attatchment for me and I broke it.
Please know this: everything you ((((send)))) me will be returned to you a thousand-fold from me. You are all the best. WES CLARK IS THE BEST.
I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS BECOME. Sorry, but there it is. This Party used to mean something, now it only means to use something -- US.
So, thanks Sybil. E-mail later?
by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 07/06/2004 09:46:02 AM EST
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Sybil, my phone has been ringing off the hook (all the kids have called me -- BTW, C4C has asked me to give her regards to all of you. She's VERY pissed right now.)
I am feeling badly for all of YOU right now. I'm VERY medicated at this point, so I'm feeling no real "pain". I may even need to go and lay down very soon.
I only wish I could have convinced you all (Lord knows I tried), and maybe now wouldn't have been such a let-down. I should have triued to do a better job of it. I knew what K. was capable of, and when I saw THE KERRY MOMENT shaping up, I KNEW it meant he was going to do the EASY and the EXPEDIENT thing.
I think I'm okay. I've cried. I've shouted. I chose something that had no sentimental attatchment for me and I broke it.
Please know this: everything you ((((send)))) me will be returned to you a thousand-fold from me. You are all the best. WES CLARK IS THE BEST.
I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS BECOME. Sorry, but there it is. This Party used to mean something, now it only means to use something -- US.
So, thanks Sybil. E-mail later?
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by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:32:55 AM EST
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Shelton and Cohen's stock on the rise. There's your National Security team.
So take a look at the voting record:
War-yes
Patriot Act- yes and wrote it
NCLB-yes
Am I missing something?
by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:32:55 AM EST
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Shelton and Cohen's stock on the rise. There's your National Security team.
So take a look at the voting record:
War-yes
Patriot Act- yes and wrote it
NCLB-yes
Am I missing something?
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by RuthBenedict on 07/06/2004 09:26:24 AM EST
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The very core of our democracy is peril. John Kerry's decision today makes that make all the more evident.
The press haven't done their job in years.
Propaganda is the only "news" being reported.
The presidency was stolen with little upheaval from "The people."
The lies continue to be spoken as truth.
Our nation has turned into a perilous imperialist thug.
The Republican party uses fear, phony patriotism and religion to stir hearts and minds.
The Democratic Party has succumbed to the corporate media pressure - stemming directly from the White House.
The electorate is uninformed and apathetic.
The democracy that was created by our Founding Fathers is dead.
Wesley Clark, I ask you sir. How can we continue?
by RuthBenedict on 07/06/2004 09:26:24 AM EST
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The very core of our democracy is peril. John Kerry's decision today makes that make all the more evident.
The press haven't done their job in years.
Propaganda is the only "news" being reported.
The presidency was stolen with little upheaval from "The people."
The lies continue to be spoken as truth.
Our nation has turned into a perilous imperialist thug.
The Republican party uses fear, phony patriotism and religion to stir hearts and minds.
The Democratic Party has succumbed to the corporate media pressure - stemming directly from the White House.
The electorate is uninformed and apathetic.
The democracy that was created by our Founding Fathers is dead.
Wesley Clark, I ask you sir. How can we continue?
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by El in New York (El-in-New-York at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:24:30 AM EST
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It shows you that 34 years of dedicated service to this country, risking your life numerous times and almost singlehandedly redesigning the military from its bedraggled post-Vietnam state to the most effective and highest morale fighting force in the world means little to Kerry and his sheeple.
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by KnightRider (A CLARK Democrat!) on 07/06/2004 09:24:05 AM EST
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Kay,... even though I recieved Kerry's email,.. I didn't open it,
...both names were in the subject title. I expect to recieve Kerry's next email with, "Nader endorses Dem ticket" (yes, ....I refuse to write their names together)
by El in New York (El-in-New-York at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 09:24:30 AM EST
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It shows you that 34 years of dedicated service to this country, risking your life numerous times and almost singlehandedly redesigning the military from its bedraggled post-Vietnam state to the most effective and highest morale fighting force in the world means little to Kerry and his sheeple.
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by KnightRider (A CLARK Democrat!) on 07/06/2004 09:24:05 AM EST
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Kay,... even though I recieved Kerry's email,.. I didn't open it,
...both names were in the subject title. I expect to recieve Kerry's next email with, "Nader endorses Dem ticket" (yes, ....I refuse to write their names together)
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by Anonymous on 07/06/2004 09:11:05 AM EST
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Michelle in Montreal here. I'm so glad I stopped in here before turning on my TV. I won't bother now. I can't tell you how much I hurt for you guys and for everyone. I have such a sick feeling in my heart. The Republicans have already won. They have donated to Edwards' campaign. They, via Edwards, whom their troops were out bootsing in force, almost managed to defeat Clark in Oklahoma (I know this first hand because my best friend worked her ass off for Clark down there from the day he announced, went to the first Meet-up, helped organize from the ground up long before Little Rock got involved). As a Canadian I am very depressed by the porspect that if Kerry is elected, Mr. Edwards will be just one heartbeat away from the Presidency. He is about as qualified to be President as George W. Bush. Plus, how many potential indie voters have this pair lost? What, so Michael Moore's overnight success has made Kerry believe he can't lose, no matter who he picks? I wonder what Bill Clinton must be thinking. Two guys who voted for the war AND the Patriot Act. How can they credibly attack Bush on either issue? And 'the two Americas'? How long before Edwards is portrayed as the multimillionaire populist fraud he really is? The only guy who is likely to gain from this is Nader. And that's very bad news for all of us. Many people may stay home on voting day, and all we can hope is that enough Republicans will stay at home rather than vote for Bush. It's going to be a crapshoot all right, but in the end, even if Kerry wins, the world will still spend the next four years just a heartbeat away from an Edwards presidency. I can't believe all this is happening. General Clark was a gift. I can't believe the Democratic party has just thrown him away for the second time. I expect they (and us) will come to rue both those days. Let's hope not.
by Anonymous on 07/06/2004 09:11:05 AM EST
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Michelle in Montreal here. I'm so glad I stopped in here before turning on my TV. I won't bother now. I can't tell you how much I hurt for you guys and for everyone. I have such a sick feeling in my heart. The Republicans have already won. They have donated to Edwards' campaign. They, via Edwards, whom their troops were out bootsing in force, almost managed to defeat Clark in Oklahoma (I know this first hand because my best friend worked her ass off for Clark down there from the day he announced, went to the first Meet-up, helped organize from the ground up long before Little Rock got involved). As a Canadian I am very depressed by the porspect that if Kerry is elected, Mr. Edwards will be just one heartbeat away from the Presidency. He is about as qualified to be President as George W. Bush. Plus, how many potential indie voters have this pair lost? What, so Michael Moore's overnight success has made Kerry believe he can't lose, no matter who he picks? I wonder what Bill Clinton must be thinking. Two guys who voted for the war AND the Patriot Act. How can they credibly attack Bush on either issue? And 'the two Americas'? How long before Edwards is portrayed as the multimillionaire populist fraud he really is? The only guy who is likely to gain from this is Nader. And that's very bad news for all of us. Many people may stay home on voting day, and all we can hope is that enough Republicans will stay at home rather than vote for Bush. It's going to be a crapshoot all right, but in the end, even if Kerry wins, the world will still spend the next four years just a heartbeat away from an Edwards presidency. I can't believe all this is happening. General Clark was a gift. I can't believe the Democratic party has just thrown him away for the second time. I expect they (and us) will come to rue both those days. Let's hope not.
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by beezer65 (beezer65@forclark.com) on 07/06/2004 09:05:07 AM EST
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Edwards won out because, by many reports, he is one of the most devastatingly charming people in America, one-on-one or in small rooms. He worked Kerry and Teresa for months, and combined with the pressure from the DNC and the sheeplike devotion of superficial rank-and-file Democrats (i.e., those who only appreciated Clinton's charm and not his sweeping command of all aspects of policy) Kerry couldn't resist. How this bodes for the future of the country ... Well, ABC's The Note recently hinted that most Democratic leaders don't really believe the party can hold on to the White House, so they're satisfied to be "ABB" rather than make a serious attempt to transform the nation's politics, because they don't think that's possible. Kerry can't fix this country. At best, it'll be four more years of nastiness, and at worst, the man is incapable of making either good or quick decisions. "At least he's better than Bush" is about as powerful as "At least we're better than Saddam."
by beezer65 (beezer65@forclark.com) on 07/06/2004 09:05:07 AM EST
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Edwards won out because, by many reports, he is one of the most devastatingly charming people in America, one-on-one or in small rooms. He worked Kerry and Teresa for months, and combined with the pressure from the DNC and the sheeplike devotion of superficial rank-and-file Democrats (i.e., those who only appreciated Clinton's charm and not his sweeping command of all aspects of policy) Kerry couldn't resist. How this bodes for the future of the country ... Well, ABC's The Note recently hinted that most Democratic leaders don't really believe the party can hold on to the White House, so they're satisfied to be "ABB" rather than make a serious attempt to transform the nation's politics, because they don't think that's possible. Kerry can't fix this country. At best, it'll be four more years of nastiness, and at worst, the man is incapable of making either good or quick decisions. "At least he's better than Bush" is about as powerful as "At least we're better than Saddam."
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by Anonymous on 07/06/2004 08:47:47 AM EST
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Cate,
For me it's not totally about Wes. K just chose the LEAST qualified of all who were mentioned to be his VP, second in command. How can he believe that should something happen to him that JE could step in and run the show. I don't care who the cabinet is. This scares me as badly as does the current administration. I feel that as the campaign progresses, this will become abundantly clear to the voters and they will either support dubya or abstain all together. This selection has done nothing to calm the fears of us concerned citizens. Wes put his trust in K and K has used him for months. Now this? I know that Wes will continue to support him, but I don't think I can. I feel this is an indication of future decisions and it reeks........
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by NapervilleClarkie (NapervilleClarkie at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 08:47:16 AM EST
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Looks like those crappy Bush signs about supporting our troops are going to keep multiplying in my neighborhood. Our troops deserve better! There is no way I can talk these republican people into a Kerry/Edwards sign, I don't have the stomach to even try. Three more marines have died. I'm just so sad. This is the first time in a while that I have a huge fear of four more years. It feels like a train wreak that can't be stopped. I hope Wes can help my outlook. I trust him but I fear he has been set up. I hope Kerry will let him bring some foreign policy muscle to the democratic party somehow. Or all is lost.
by Anonymous on 07/06/2004 08:47:47 AM EST
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Cate,
For me it's not totally about Wes. K just chose the LEAST qualified of all who were mentioned to be his VP, second in command. How can he believe that should something happen to him that JE could step in and run the show. I don't care who the cabinet is. This scares me as badly as does the current administration. I feel that as the campaign progresses, this will become abundantly clear to the voters and they will either support dubya or abstain all together. This selection has done nothing to calm the fears of us concerned citizens. Wes put his trust in K and K has used him for months. Now this? I know that Wes will continue to support him, but I don't think I can. I feel this is an indication of future decisions and it reeks........
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by NapervilleClarkie (NapervilleClarkie at forclark dot com) on 07/06/2004 08:47:16 AM EST
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Looks like those crappy Bush signs about supporting our troops are going to keep multiplying in my neighborhood. Our troops deserve better! There is no way I can talk these republican people into a Kerry/Edwards sign, I don't have the stomach to even try. Three more marines have died. I'm just so sad. This is the first time in a while that I have a huge fear of four more years. It feels like a train wreak that can't be stopped. I hope Wes can help my outlook. I trust him but I fear he has been set up. I hope Kerry will let him bring some foreign policy muscle to the democratic party somehow. Or all is lost.
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by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/06/2004 08:35:27 AM EST
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No rash comments from keyboard this morning. I know how much Wes Clark is pulling for this ticket to win. He told us the mission; I agreed to follow; but right now I am lost.
Wes will be in New Hampshire this morning. He traveled to New Hampshire to bolster John Kerry's chance to win. He cancelled plans to be with 3.0 to help Kerry win. Then the Kerry campaign is sending him to Bangor, Maine...Bangor? Now there's a hot spot. Use and abuse has its limits.
I would like everyone in Little Rock to know that the Kerry campaign has not lifted finger one to advertise this. I'll go and it would seem that I and a handfull of people will be there if we are lucky.
TC, I always knew you were right.
Sorry Little Rock_what is happening today is a disgrace. Oh, not the VP thing; afterall, Wes always said: "it doesn't matter who get the credit, what matters is getting the job done." Those are words of an honorable man. I am just so very sorry that he has become involved with such a snake from Massachusetts.
by Donna Z (donna_zen at yahoo dot com) on 07/06/2004 08:35:27 AM EST
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No rash comments from keyboard this morning. I know how much Wes Clark is pulling for this ticket to win. He told us the mission; I agreed to follow; but right now I am lost.
Wes will be in New Hampshire this morning. He traveled to New Hampshire to bolster John Kerry's chance to win. He cancelled plans to be with 3.0 to help Kerry win. Then the Kerry campaign is sending him to Bangor, Maine...Bangor? Now there's a hot spot. Use and abuse has its limits.
I would like everyone in Little Rock to know that the Kerry campaign has not lifted finger one to advertise this. I'll go and it would seem that I and a handfull of people will be there if we are lucky.
TC, I always knew you were right.
Sorry Little Rock_what is happening today is a disgrace. Oh, not the VP thing; afterall, Wes always said: "it doesn't matter who get the credit, what matters is getting the job done." Those are words of an honorable man. I am just so very sorry that he has become involved with such a snake from Massachusetts.
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