(#33) (Rated 5.00/1) by Ocelot on 03/30/2004 11:26:04 PM EST
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Clarke is doing a nice job on The Daily Show.

And here's something John Dean said in an interview with Salon:

"Bush and Cheney have exploited terrorism ever since 9/11. Now they are exploiting it to get reelected. Should there be an even more serious threat, they have found that when Americans are frightened they can be governed like sheep, which suits Bush and Cheney perfectly. Rather than taking the terror out of terrorism by educating and informing Americans, they have sought to make terrorism as frightening as possible -- using terrorism to launch a war of aggression that is breeding a new generation of terrorists and getting the Congress to pass the most repressive new laws imaginable and calling it an act of patriotism."

http://www.salon.com

(#54) (No rating) by jsainio (jsainio at forclark dot com) on 03/31/2004 12:14:47 AM EST


Gee, from WMD to WMD-related-programs to WMD-'intent.' Hope they don't hear about me... I intend to haul a few solar masses of anti-matter from another galaxy to the Sun, and blow up the entire Solar System. The plans for this trick are written on little scraps of paper in my refrigerator, next to the botulism poison.

U.S. Weapons Hunt Shifts Focus to 'Intent' in Iraq

By Tabassum Zakaria

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (news - web sites) will continue despite the failure so far to find them but the focus now includes whether Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) intended to develop such weapons, the chief U.S. arms hunter said on Tuesday.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040330/pl_nm/iraq_usa_weapons_dc&cid=615 &ncid=1480

(#82) (No rating) by alexm (alexm at forclark dot com) on 03/31/2004 03:35:55 AM EST
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Note from Cameron Bennett (camworld) who is now working for the Kerry campaign via dailykos-

I had mentioned the possibility that since he was working on the campaign there was a chance we could see the CCN format adapted to Kerry's site. I left him a note of thanks for all he did for the Clark campaign and I hope you will too.

The link :
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/31/1145/01407#27

His response :
Yeah, the CCN is still up and running. We were never told to take the site down so it just hums along. I know the server has crashed a few times but it seems to get restarted by someone who still has access to the box.

Other than the community self-moderating itself, no one is doing any administrative work or customer service at all on the CCN.

We are working on an online community plan for the Kerry campaign but it is too early to talk about what that plan is. Scoop is just one of our options and we are considering it.

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by donjo (donjo at forclark.com) on 03/30/2004 05:14:08 PM EST

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I've been to a couple "Unity" meetings of our local Democrats and it's sort of fun to see what  kind of people supported the different candidates. Other than the Kerry people feeling sort of smug right now, the Dean people absent, the Edwards people bewildered, and the Kucinich supporter is always some really ancient, wrinkly, widow, I guess we're all somewhat cut from the same cloth.
However, I think none and I repeat, none, of them understands the depth, loyalty, and emotional ties that the Clark people still have towards Wes. (And frankly, I don't think Wes understands this, as well.)
In his brief time in the public eye, he truly created a following that is willing to slog (and blog) through hell and back for him. I've been trying to figure out why and have come to some conclusions: I think the main one is that he is a liberator. He liberated the Albanians and they worship him; he liberated many of us from despondency about the pathetic political scene in this country. For the first time in years we had hope that decency and honesty still had a place in politics. We had a candidate who truly lived up to and exceeded out inner expectations of what a president should and could be. He spoke for us and he spoke with authority about things others were afraid to touch. Bait and switch. A war we shouldn't have been in. The buck stops at the President's desk. Tax cuts for the wealthy and all those memorable quotes that have become common and accepted phrases now. On top of his charisma, character and integrity, he remains a decent, caring, honest and humble man, still willing to do whatever is required to help this country.
I am ashamed for the treatment he received at the hands of his fellow citizens who didn't take the time or have the interest to find out more about this remarkable human being. We are the worse for ignoring him and we ignore him still. God help our country. And Gert rocks!

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by kbacon on 03/29/2004 09:14:01 PM EST

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A Brief and Final Post:
My sincere thanks and best wishes go to Ken in Seattle, Nelsons, Martisa, Ohio Kidds, AllyCat, The Brands, Ice, Teacher, crwriter, Pam, diane, tracy, Ann, Stephanie in Japan, petra, ollie, Rob in MA, pfoat, rhgrove, jmh, Buffy, Paula, Madeline, minogue, linda4clark, Tielsch, texifornia, Zafyryn, Ocelot, marti, dkauth, wendyd, cheriw2, WCharles, tc, loudestchick, my Oscarbashers and every blogger who ever blogged. You are all people of character and significance.
Special thanks to Kramer, Djinniya, and LJM - you made me think, act and laugh.
'til, well...who knows.
K

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by Donna Z on 03/30/2004 12:47:59 AM EST

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The Judith Miller affair must have some deep roots. She is also a published author regarding bioterrorism, so maybe they are keeping her on a short leash. Nevertheless, you are correct, it is not enough considering the deaths she has caused.
I saw the bit with Aaron Brown and the members stating that 911 could not have been prevented. After all we know, they are just going dismiss everything. What a country! Of course the polls seems to be with them on this. I'm afraid bush turned the corner today. Notice how few, very few of the talking heads frame the discussion of ClarkE's book as part of mounting evidence? Rarely do we hear O'Neill or Beers mentioned as contributing sources.
Everytime we think we have them the wiggle away; slugs.
So Kerry has decided to avoid Foreign Policy questions. OMG. Kerry always did have poor political instincts. I mean he's known that bushCo left the ball on field during the big game and has run away from the issue just as all of the other spineless Dems have done for months and months. The voters won't listen to Kerry unless they can take foreign policy off the table. Sure voters want to concentrate on the jobs and healthcare, but unless they see the two as at least equal, they will vote for bush. Look at the shift in polls.

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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 03/29/2004 05:24:44 PM EST

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Okay... now THAT I am prepared to agree with. I feel this way, too, to a certain extent.
But, "abandonment" is not something I would be willing to associate with The General -- ever. "Above and beyond the call of duty" is the only way I will ever think of him, NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES/CHOOSES TO DO/CHOOSES NOT TO DO with his future. I am forever in his debt for all he gave when we asked.
He is my "voice", and he spoke/speaks for me eloquently. I was BORN a CLARK DEMOCRAT. My whole political life was spent getting ready for him to arrive, as far as I'm concerned. Never before has a candidate spoken for me so perfectly -- issue for issue -- than Wes Clark.
Since I believe that there is NOBODY on this Blog who wants him to be on this ticket MORE than I do, I will go so far as to say this: If he were to come to us, and say "I feel I gave all I had to give. I need to go back to living a normal life now for my good and the good of my family. I have no interest in being VP." I would be disppointed (Okay, I would be crushed -- devastated, really...), but I know I would simply release him in every way to do as he felt with the rest of his life with all the love and respect I had in my heart. I KNOW I WOULD.
So, that having been said, WES CLARK FOR VP! -- Until OR unless he tells us differently.
In my heart he will always be the Greatest President of my Lifetime.

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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 03/29/2004 04:20:03 PM EST

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BAD NEWS?
I was just listening to some talk radio here, and guess what? Last week Kerry was ahead of Bush 52% to 47%. This week AFTER the ClarkE testimony and everything, those numbers have reversed. Iti s now Bush 52% over Kerry at 47%. the analyst says that THE REPUBLICANS ARE HAVING A GREAT DEAL OF SUCCESS, it seems, AT DEFINING KERRY to the voting public.
Kerry is seen, supposedly as "a waffler, who is weak on issues of defense and security", according to this poll.
I say, WTF?????
I'm telling you -- if Kerry chooses ANYONE BUT GENERAL CLARK, we are going to have our Democratic Keesters handed to us next November, people.  

Thank you Leslie Stahl and 60 Minutes for the Richard Clarke interview. This was one of the finest moments - not only of this fine show, but in the history of this country.
Just as the free speech gets stiffled, curageous people come forth , taking personal risks to tell the truth. And there's still enough integrity left in parts of the media to allow this to be known. You did a service to democracy and should be proud of it.

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by John in Houston (John-in-Houston at forclark dot com) on 03/27/2004 09:03:20 PM EST

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WH comes back at Kerry for demanding that Rice testify. Among other things a spokesperson said this:
"John Kerry's backward-looking approach would return us to the failed policies of treating terror as a law-enforcement matter."
Actually, that's a very forward-looking approach. As Wes explains in Winning Modern Wars, the state-sponsored terrorism approach [Bush] is the Cold War model. But this statement gives good insight into the shape of the debate to come. What this suggests is that the WH is going to argue the neoconservative, Pax Americana, might-makes-right approach to the war against international terrorism. What they refer to as Kerry's "backward-looking approach" is the one being followed by Spain, France, Germany, and the UK now as they meet to find ways their security agencies can better cooperate and share information, ignoring Bush's Iraq-centric approach entirely. The fact is that fighting terrorism really is largely a matter of police-work supported by diplomatic work. Wes could smack this down in five seconds flat. Cheney's defibrillator may get a workout.

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by Ocelot on 03/27/2004 09:42:15 PM EST

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#4 "Kerry cannot afford to take any more time off at the present."
Sure he can. The other former candidates are on board, campaigning for him (most of them, anyhow). Right now all the attention is on the Richard Clarke book and the 9/11 testimony. That's good for at least a week. For people who don't care about politics, the basketball tournaments are occupying their attention. Some states havn't even had their p[rimaries yet. So IMO it makes more sense for Kerry to take the time now, get the problem fixed, rather than wait until  summer when more attention will be focused directly on the elections, all the primaries are over, and the campaigning goes into high gear. If he needs to get his rotator cuff fixed, which is probably causing some pain, this is the time to do it.
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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 03/27/2004 09:47:27 PM EST

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Ocelot, usually I agree with you 100%, but I have to take issue here. I think it should be Kerry, not a "surrogate" out there going after the Bushies on theis ClarkE stuff now. He needs to come out often, LOUD, and strong. He needs to look like he's fighting his own battles, and lookint those creeps in the eye and not flinching.
If this was a long-standing injury, he should have never been snow-boarding on his "vacation" (I didn't agree with the timing of THAT either, BTW...), and maybe even should've had this little elective surgery done as part of his downtime.
Frankly, candidate Kerry has been too little-seen and heard as far as I'm concerned.

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by Saint N Memphis (Saint-N Memphis at forclark dot com) on 03/27/2004 11:30:34 AM EST

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Robbed,
Remember, Gen. Clark said that he would "walk point" for Kerry.
The purpose of the one who "Walks point" in combat is to draw enemy fire to "flush them out of hiding" so that the others behind are not ambushed and can annihilate the opposition.
It is a sound patrol strategy, tested in every war we have been in... however, if you ignore the point man and wait until the main body of the patrol walks by and open fire then a whole patrol can be eliminated.  It is the job of the Point Man to see these things, he protects the others by his skill and cunning.
This is General Clark. 

I am starting to be disturbed about Wes as "canary in the coal mine" for Kerry.
kerry is out skiing  as Clark defends Clarke, and the only comment from Kerry on day one was "Waiting to read the book". Bring it on is in poor taste when the target you point to is someone other than yourself.
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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 03/27/2004 09:36:13 AM EST

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"I am starting to be disturbed about Wes as 'canary in the coal mine' for Kerry."
I realize that most of you are probably exhausted from hearing me say this, but I will be DOUBLE concerned if he has been "put out there" and used as "a surrogate" if he is not, indeed, the VP choice. ESPECIALLY, given the unnecessarily belligerent taunt of "bring it on!" --- Notice he said that, and then went skiing for a week, leaving Wes out there with all the satellite time he needed to take the heat.
It's something the Kerry I have come to "know" would do without a second thought.
There is a camp, sadly, within my own family, that believes that Kerry went on vacation, and was unavailable INTENTIONALLY to avoid having to answer any of the "ClarkE" questions, as well as to see if Clark would be willing to take the flack out there alone.
So, Kerry avaoided having to weigh in until AFTER the testimony and the reaction from the Bushies, AND Wes proved "a worthy surrogate". This same family member does not believe Kerry has any intention of naming Wes as his VP, because there is a lot of pressure for him NOT TO within the Party, and she doesn't believe he is "brave enough" to name anyone unsanctioned. If he does that, then loses, the entire onus could be on his choice, and he doesn't necessarily want that added responsibility. That being so, it is felt he will end up running with whomever his panel, the DNC, and Party "elders" tell him to run with.
I agree with the assessment about his "bravery"... I think he left it behind, little by little, beginning back in the 70's when he decided to run for office, and that "bravery" (aka BALLS in my book...) is practically non-existent now. Some people get braver and bolder as they age (look at Ted Kennedy! -- He's practically reached "warrior" status in the Senate...) When, I ask you, was the last time you heard ANYONE remark that KERRY had made a particularly bold or brave move, comment, vote, or fight against or for ANYTHING or ANYBODY???? "Bring it on" is not brave or bold, just antagonistic. It is also LUDICROUS if you say it, then go skiing for a week, and send someone else out to "surrogate" for you.
I would not mind Wes being his "surrogate" or his "canary in the  coalmine" one bit if I believed that Kerry had even decided what role Wes will play (if any) in his Aministration or if he'd even communicated that to Wes. I think what we are seeing is our beloved General going out there alone, heeding what he sees as a call to service for his country, without any thought of what it means to himself, personally or professionally, and without any strings. This is the Wes Clark we all know and respect so much. I just hope, this time, I'm wrong, and he has been able to pin down the wily, slippery Kerry, and extracted some promises on his own behalf.    

http://tinyurl.com/365b5

"But as Mr. Kerry's former rivals filled the stage, any choreography was lost.
Senator John Edwards maneuvered smack into the center, between Mr.
Clinton and Mr. Kerry"

Breck's pushines


> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115359,00.html
>
>
> Friday, March 26, 2004 By Neil Cavuto
> I want you to look at something. I'm probably the only guy who
> notices things like this but look at this picture from the big
> Democratic National Committee Unity Dinner (search) rally Thursday
> in Washington.
>
> The guy who wants to be president ñ Sen. John Kerry -- with two
> Democrats who "were" president: Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. And
> Al Gore too. What the heck is John Edwards (search) doing?
>
> He manages to crash a perfectly planned unity photo shot by
muscling
> into the picture. Look at him! I think he took out five guys
getting
> up there!
>
> I mean, is it me, or is this Edwards guy pushing it?
>
> All the other presidential candidates relegated themselves to the
> sidelines. There was Al Sharpton and Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt
> all dutifully playing second and third and fourth fiddles.
>
> Not Edwards. He was right there with Kerry. Gosh, he looked like
his
> running mate. Maybe that was the point.
>
> But Sen. Edwards, may I offer a suggestion? Stop trying so hard.
> You're bordering on looking like a suck-up. And worse, a party
> crasher. You're Eddie Haskell in pinstripes!
>
> You just ruined your party's money shot. And don't those guys know
> it.
>
> No offense, Sen. Edwards, but you can kiss your running mate hopes
> goodbye. That one smarmy move will cost you.
>
> Don't get me wrong. Bosses like to be sucked up to. They just don't
> like it when you make it so obvious.

Frist Calls for Opening '02 Testimony To Explore 'Entirely Different Stories'
By Charles Babington and Walter Pincus
Saturday, March 27, 2004; Page A01
The Senate's top Republican called yesterday for declassifying Richard A. Clarke's testimony before a House-Senate intelligence panel two years ago to determine whether he lied, as partisan exchanges intensified over allegations leveled this week by the Bush administration's former counterterrorism chief.
In a blistering speech from the Senate floor, Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) said Clarke "has told two entirely different stories under oath" -- first in private before Congress's joint intelligence committee in July 2002, then last week before cameras at a hearing conducted by the commission looking into the same topic, the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Frist offered no specific contradictions other than to say that Clarke was "effusive in his praise" of the Bush administration's handling of terrorism matters in his 2002 testimony but was sharply critical this week.
"If he lied under oath to the United States Congress, it is a far more serious matter" than being inconsistent with reporters, another Republican charge aimed at Clarke, who served in the White House under four presidents.
Some Democratic lawmakers who heard Clarke's testimony in both settings said they found no inconsistencies. Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), who was co-chairman of the joint intelligence inquiry, said in a statement, "To the best of my recollection, there is nothing inconsistent or contradictory in that testimony and what Mr. Clarke has said this week." He said Clarke's 2002 testimony should be declassified "in its entirety," not in selected ways to favor the White House.
more…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28227-2004Mar26.html  
 Alert Prin

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by Anonymous on 03/26/2004 06:32:22 PM EST

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14,000 a week....that is the number of new voter registrations that are being handled by the City of NY.  Either people are very happy here with Bush or very mad....what do you think it is?

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't
> care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
> -- George W. Bush, March 13, 2002
>

(#248) (Rated 5.00/1) by therebel (A Clark Democrat) on 03/26/2004 11:29:24 AM EST
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I have to defend Terry here. As I reported last night, Leiberman pushed Clark over so he could stand next to Gore and be in the middle of the group. Terry came over and pushed Leiberman out and pulled Clark close to him. Leiberman was forced to go to the other side of Clark to stand for the pictures. So it became Kerry, Gore, Terry and Clark on that side.

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by noelschutz (noelschutz@yahoo.com) on 03/26/2004 10:59:09 AM EST

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Just popping in for a moment.
Missed the party in DC. But read the blogging of it. Edwards and Lieberman are pushy farts. Clark and Gephardt were gentlemen and just kept to themselves cheerfully. Dean also. Lieberman laughed at Bush's jokes at that shindig of theirs about the wmd. To bad I already disliked him or I would have an excuse to do so again.
Glad everyone is absolving Gore. He got a rotten deal and now is being humble. We should also not be so hard on Kerry. What can he do about being himself? He is all we got and we should try to get over our reluctance and wish it were Wes sentiments. This is the hand we were dealt and we have to make do with it.
Don't like pushy people. Hope they push Edwards and Liebermeaner out the door.
Off to bed. Night all.

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by John in Houston (John-in-Houston at forclark dot com) on 03/26/2004 06:53:08 AM EST

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The Bush WH has one insescapable problem it must overcome in rebutting Clarke's accusations of negligence:
If counter-terrorism was a top priority for them, if they were doing everything possible to prevent an attack on our soil, and if they were doing a better job of that than the Clinton administration as they claim, then how do they explain the fact that the attacks of 9-11 did happen on their watch?
A Clark Democrat - Eat More Ketchup - Tell Your Friends

[UnitedForClark] Richard Clarke's Book Corners Market In Capital Buzz
Reply-To: UnitedForClark@yahoogroups.com

WOOOOHOOOO!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/26/politics/26BOOK.html?hp

WASHINGTON, March 25 — On the first day, the hottest new book in
town sold out in an hour at Politics and Prose and sales clerks turned away=

dozens of disappointed buyers. On the second day, the store called three
national book wholesalers, which announced they did not have a single
copy left.

That was when Barbara Meade knew that Richard A. Clarke, the author of
"Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror," was the genuine
article, an unexpected literary phenomenon whose account of
counterterrorism failures within the Bush administration has been flying of=
f
the shelves this week.

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by EllenG (EllenG at forclark dot com) on 03/25/2004 12:09:58 PM EST

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What's with Gore??????????????
'Given the egos and statures involved, party officials said it was no easy task to choreograph the order of the speakers. Most will be introduced by a short video of their careers. Because Mr. Gore accepted only recently, there was no time to produce a video introduction for him.'
My daughter goes to this nightclub! and the dinner location is 5 minutes from my office!
'After the dinner, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Carter and others will head to Dream, a Washington nightclub. There, 5,000 people, paying $50 each, will see them and a bevy of performers, including OutKast, Ginuwine, Kenneth (Babyface) Edmonds and Q-Tip.'

War as a joke

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by LI26943 (LI26943 at forclark dot com) on 03/25/2004 01:40:06 PM EST



I saw bits & pieces of bush's slide show and they cut away to the audience where Sen Joe Lieberman was laughing like a fool.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22713-2004Mar25.html

Downstairs at the CNN bash, retired Gen. Wesley Clark took another stance.
"I worked with Richard Clarke in the mid-'90s and I was very impressed with his competence and his determination and his nonpartisanship," Clark said. "I think he's very credible and I think he's raised serious issues for the American people. I don't think it's fair to be attacking Dick Clarke's motives. . . . The facts are out there in the book. It's up to the administration to deal with the facts or not."

"Your government failed you," he said, his voice close to breaking. "Those entrusted with protecting you failed you, and I failed you."

"We tried hard," Mr. Clarke went on, "but that doesn't matter, because we failed. And for that failure, I would ask — once all the facts are out — for your understanding and your forgiveness."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/24/politics/24CND-PANE.html?hp

Bob Woodward, in his book, disagrees with George Tenet..
http://www.atrios.blogspot.com /

From Woodward's book, page 39.
"Until September 11, however, Bush had not put that thinking into practice, nor had he pressed the issue of bin Laden. Though Rice and others were developing a plan to eliminate al Qaeda, no formal recommendations had ever been presented to the president.
"I know there was a plan in the works. . . . I don't know how mature the plan was," Bush recalled. . . .He acknowledged that bin Laden was not his focus or that of his national security team. There was a significant difference in my attitude after September 11. I was not on point , but I knew he was a menace, and I knew he was a problem."

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More interesting stuff from Chucky's blog!

It has been almost 21 days since Super Tuesday.
More than 120 days remain until the July convention in Boston.
If the time comes, for the sake of the Democratic Party, Kerry can step aside and ask Edwards to be the Democratic nominee.

Tarheels are not for Edwards (I think they mean Kerry - this is my interject), look at the polls. Kerry is going down fast and soon he and all his supporters will be begging JRE to be VP: how humiliating for you that will be!

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More funnies from the Edwards blog (took a peek since I was over there checking out his banner):

What skeletons are there in Kerry's closet? Yes, I am worried too! I will say again, the Democratic party needs JRE as the backup candidate when the inevitable blows up in Kerry's face.

And:

Clarke has friends and former business associates on Kerry's campaign staff.
Clarke is campaigning for a position on Kerry's campaign team.
Clarke forgot to mention that his ideas were ignored by Clinton during the Clinton administration leaving Al-Qaeda as a problem that GW Bush had to deal with.
Clarke's book was published by a Viacom subsidiary. Viacom owns CBS. 60 minutes didn't divulge that CBS and VIACOM have a conflict of interest with Clarke's book during the 60 minutes interview. CBS's owner VIACOM stands to make a lot of money if people buy Clarke's book. That's why the interview was biased toward scandal on 60 minutes last night.

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No! Not really????????? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! There really IS something to the "group mentality" thing, isn't there? They think Edwards farts lavender. Here we think Wesley Clark is the best thing since sliced bread. Thank goodness we are right! LMAO!

#38) (No rating) by Ocelot on 03/23/2004 06:38:26 PM EST
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#22 Kramer has been insisting emphatically that Edwards won't be VP because according to people in the campaign Kerry wants somebody who has a strong foreign policy/national security background and who is not a senator. Also, an interesting phenomenon is occurring on the Edwards blog: They are getting all sour-grapey, saying that Edwards shouldn't accept a VP offer from Kerry because he's "too good" for Kerry; Kerry is so awful that Bush will win anyhow, and Edwards' chances in 2008 will be ruined if he's on s losing ticket with Kerry. But no gossip over there about any realistic possibility it will happen.

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by JasonFromWaltham (jasondavis@massforclark.com) on 03/23/2004 08:53:15 AM EST

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Good morning all. I wore my Clark shirt to the gym for the first time (before it was not to be sweated on.... don't worry I have a "keepsake" shirt too). Let me tell you I felt really proud to be wearing it even a month after he dropped out. I too have always been and always will be a WCD. I never felt welcome in the party before and because of the inspiration of Wes have become quite a party insider. It is great to know there are so many of us out there.
George Bush went looking for WMDs and all he found were WCDs. :)

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I had about 15 minutes of fun a little while ago on the www.fundrace.org website. There you can look up donations given by either typing in names or zip codes. I typed in a some names of famous people out of curiousity and found out a few interesting things (also I don't know when the figures where last updated) :

Meg Ryan (actress)-- $2000. --> Wes Clark

Ben Harper (musician) -- $2000 --> Wes Clark

Laura Dern (actress, Harper's wife)--$1000--> Wes Clark -- Both Harper and Dern were both frmer Nader supporters

Robert Deniro- $2000--> Dean, $2000.--> Clark, $2000. --> Kerry

Janine Garofolo (actress) $2000. --> Howard Dean, then later $250. --> Dean (using a diff. address, she went over her max)

Ed Koch- frmer mayor of NYC-- $1200-->gephardt

David Dinkins and Charlie Rangel -- no donations

Another person named Wesley Clark living in Brooklyn--- $750. to ...you guessed it: Wesley Clark!

Sen. John Edwards--> 2000. --> John Edwards (incidently the only one of all candidates to donate directly to his own campaign!)

Every person with the last name of Sharpton in the country--> donated to George Bush!

Ted Danson (actor) --$500--> Howard Dean, $500--> John edwards , no Wes Clark! However an actor in CA with the name Edward Danson donated $500. to Wes Clark

Michael Moore - no donations.

(#143) (No rating) by Donna Z on 03/23/2004 01:29:24 AM EST
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Dearest Sybil_Mutual admiration for your posts. Going through my files I came across one of your great--maybe your greatest--rants. Many of us are on the same wave length here...Kerry is not really part of my problem with all of this, it is just that Wes Clark REALLY is the president I was promised as a kid.

The night that Clark endorsed Kerry I went over to the Kerry site and was stopped short by the picture on the front page of Kerry and Wes. My entire head caught on fire. Poof! I'm improving day by day. Then it came to me a few days ago: I really am a Wes Clark Democrat. I've always been a Wes Clark Democrat.

On the afternoon of 911 when the kids were just too far blow out to talk about anything else, they asked me if we were going to war. I told them "yes" but that was not the issue. The real issue was whether we would go to "peace." I said, "If you ever hear anyone speaking about weeding out the roots of terrorism: fear, ignorance, poverty and bad governments; vote for them. I told them I was listening for that person and they should be too. And then Wes Clark came along.

Maybe because I am a second generation American who was entralled by American ideals, or maybe it is because I was kid in the fifties, before the vast night of political cynicism decended, but I tear up when I read about the struggle for democracy. I believe in the values this country was founded on. Wes Clark has said things that have brought me to my knees; things I've waited my entire life to hear. He is a great American and he is one of us.

In some ways this is no ordinary election. Bush must go...or we will lose more than we can possibly imagine. I fear and believe, we will not get another chance. And this time will not be much of a chance.

On the other hand, with Clark out of the running, this is an ordinary election for me. Dem vs Rep. Keeping the first thought in my head...the mission, I can go through the motions and do my best. Kerry could make this easy for me and make Wes the VP, but I for one, cannot let that factor even tinge my motivations.

We must dream in critical mass of getting rid of bush, so that dream can become a reality.

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Well, General Clark warned them that bringing up 911 was a loaded gun pointed right back at the White House.

So Wes, after 5 appearances today can we all say: "Make my day?"

I really do love that man. Wasn't he the greatest today? I didn't get to SEE them all, but thanks to cyber-world, I got to read about the three I missed. Does anyone get the feeling that Wes just took National Security issues off the table for bushCo? The only reservation I have about today and Clarke's book hoopla, is that Wesley Clark has been saying all of this for months. I know he cares less about getting the credit than he does about getting the job done, but we all know who said it first.

Judy, judy, judy...expect a call from rove. The lizard DNA just didn't take this evening.

Ah yes___I contributed to Kerry this evening. It was the face on the front page that pushed me over the edge. Wes Clark's face that is.

I'm voting against bush...I have to...my state is now considered some sort of battleground and I believe it will be close. Kerry is good on the environment, women's issues, yadi yadi yadi yadi. And he is not bush. This occupation of our country demands bold action from its citizens.

Seeing General Clark on Kerry's site always makes me a little ill. I know it's silly but I just can't seem to understand why I feel that way. It is an emotional not an intellectual reaction, so ain't no splainin' it away.

Perhaps it is my desire to see General Clark hanging with his buds Rubin and Holbrooke as they race around the world straightening out the old place. Picking up a Nobel along the way. I know he'd have a great time, do good, and lift us all up. Oh yeah! He needs to be there. And Lady Gert and Christianne...would those two not be the finest? Setting those no account Taliban forever under into their hellish places? Oh yeah! Dancing with the Pakistanis indeed sir. It is all the low hanging fruit.

I was a Wes Clark Democrat long before I ever heard his name. He speaks for me.

(#115) (No rating) by beckham on 03/23/2004 12:56:52 AM EST
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Lie Dick Lie. Hear Dick Lie.

Run Dick Run. Run And Hide.

See Dick See. The Soldiers Die.

. Judy Butdontchathink?

As in "But dont you think Bush is a great President?"
"But dont you think that the Dems are traitors and cowards?"
"But dont you think Cheney looks hot with his glasses?"

Hate that woman.....

Reading Clarke's Book

The title "Against all enemies" - refers to the oath of protecting *the constitution against all enemies - makes sure in the preface to include Ashcroft and his attack on civil rights in the category.
Wes is mentioned on page 138 - peace accords in Dayton - brief mention of his heroism - recovering bodies before the car blew up.
The first chapter is riveting - all the movements in the WH on Sept 11 - Clarke sent W bunker hopping, Lynne cheney interfering with the situation room, lowering the volume to listen to CNN...Rummy, Wolfowitz pitching Iraq September 12 - W not adverse to it, Hugh Shelton adding: "but we need a large force to change regime"
There's a history fron Raygun to W - concluding that raygun and poppy also dropped the ball....

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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 03/22/2004 09:22:32 PM EST

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If the Neo-cons had just felt that finding Osama Bin Laden was as important as impeaching Clinton, we'd be much beter off.
But that was sex and this is now.... Maybe Clinton's whatsis was the first WMD for those poor bast*rds!

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by larry on 03/22/2004 03:55:41 PM EST
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No problem.  For those of you who don't know me, I worked with the campaign, helping run online fundraising with Brent Blackaby.  I'm currently assisting Nancy Parrish with setting up General Clark's new plans.  Stay tuned!
Larry Huynh
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by larry on 03/22/2004 03:50:58 PM EST

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Sorry about the previous post.  Here is the info in a clean format.
***General Clark doing several more TV interviews Today***
 
General Clark will be making several more TV interviews today,
discussing the news from Richard Clarke and other national issues.
These should be the correct times.
FOX - Your World with Neil Cavuto 4:00pm EST
MSNBC with Debra Norville 9:00pm EST
CNN Newsnight w/Aaron Brown 10:00pm EST
Larry

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by KnightRider (A CLARK Democrat!) on 03/22/2004 03:02:36 PM EST



Today Show (NBC: 3/22/04): The Art of the Clark Offensive
Supports Richard Clarke and discredits Condy Rice ;
---------------------

ATTACK. Condy Rice rebutt's charges against Richard Clarke's statements on 60 Minutes (CBS):

CLARK: [Credibility]  "I worked with Dick Clarke while over in Joint Staff (mid 90's),.... he's a very credible, dedicated person, . . enormous credibility,.. total professional,.. not-paritisan,..  a political staffer! (ie. not in leadership and cabinet post).   "Look,...These are very serious charges against the Bush Administration..."
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ATTACK:[Rice shifts blame onto a career staffer] Shouldn't Democrats take some blame.....wasn't it Clinton's watch during Cole?);...... Is this a  legitimate politic attack, ..considering the elections?....are you saying that 911 could have been prevented?  

CLARK:[the REAL ISSUE] American people have to face issue asking who is best to lead country,  It was important to put together a strategy.....  The question is not whether 911 would have been prevented, ..... but it's clear that more could have been done on his watch.  Instead,  US Gov't was more interested in national missle defense, Putin and Russia,

.............but the No.1 threat was not addresed,...and that was al' Qaida.   As Truman said, "On matters of National Security, buck stops here!,...Bush took us to war we didn't have fight.
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ATTACK: [Democrats weapon]: Will Kerry "use" this against the President in the general elections?"
CLARK:[Getting back to the issues]  "Using"  is not the issue, all candidates said that we did not have to fight Irag. This is an essential political issue.  John said war is the last resort. His record was very clear, he did not want to rush to war.  John Kerry was "dealing" with the "issues" of Irag , war was suppose to be the last resort before diplomatic efforts were exhausted.

-----------------------

This was classic Wes Clark,.....he's mastered the art of debate..... (know your opponent, anticipate their questions)

by The bug on 03/22/2004 03:54:37 PM EST



Interesting News
Clark coming up on Fox at 1:00 PST but.........
promo for his appearance, Shepherd Smith says that Wes' appearance yesterday on Fox came about because the Kerry campaign called them and asked them to put General Clark on - and the Kerry campaign said if Fox would put him on, Kerry would pay for the satellite.

d: 23 May 2002 07:49:21 by  Robbedvoter
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-000036064may22.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dnation
THE NATION
By EDWIN CHEN
TIMES STAFF WRITER
May 22 2002
WASHINGTON -- WASHINGTON -- President Bush spoke publicly for the first
time Tuesday
about his fears for himself and his family in the hours after the Sept.
11 terrorist attacks,
telling a German television reporter he was "trying to get out of harm's
way" before
returning to the White House.
In an interview with ARD German Television, Bush said that in the
immediate aftermath of
the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, "I was concerned
about things
like, is my wife safe? You know, I was worried about that. I was worried
about things such as
my parents. I was worried about my [twin] girls."
Among the flying public grounded that day were the president's parents,
who found
themselves stranded in Wisconsin. Bush was able to reach his father, as
well as First Lady
Laura Bush, who was in Washington. But as he discussed his personal
reactions, Bush also
wanted there to be no doubt about his focus on the task at hand.
"At the same time, you need to know about me that I was also thinking
clearly about how to
respond," he said.
Bush granted the interview as a prelude to his weeklong trip to Europe,
which begins today.
After a stop in Berlin, he travels to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Paris and
Rome.
Bush's initial conduct on Sept. 11 came under scrutiny because he did
not immediately
return to Washington. When the first airliner crashed into the World
Trade Center, he was
in Sarasota, Fla., to speak on education reform.
Bush and his entourage flew to two highly secure Air Force bases--one in
Louisiana, the
other in Nebraska--before arriving in Washington that evening.
"I mean, I was trying to get out of harm's way," Bush said.
"We were concerned about threats on the president. We were worried about
future attacks,
and there's a lot of belief that Flight 93 was headed to the White
House," Bush added,
referring to the hijacked commercial airliner that crashed in western
Pennsylvania.

Mesg #277329 "Soldiers ordered to smile during Bush's Ft. Campbell visit"
Author Antidolt    

        


Well I never.
"Bush, wearing a green Army jacket, received an enthusiastic welcome from the troops, who stood on the post's muddy parade grounds under bright sunshine and chanted "U.S.A.!" Before Bush appeared, small U.S. flags were handed out, and an officer gave instructions to the troops on how to receive the commander in chief. "We're going to show him a lot of love by waving flags," the officer said. Telling the troops not to salute, he added: "You're going to wave and clap and make a lot of noise. . . . You must smile. We are happy campers here."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6089-2004Mar18.html

9.11 memories


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From Robbedvoter's 9.11 archive:

NYT
"Disappointing some of his political advisers and allies, who felt he
should have returned to Washington at once from a trip to Florida to
symbolize that the government was functioning, President Bush headed
instead to Offutt Air Force Base near Omaha, where a more secure
command post was available. At the height of the Cuban missile
crisis, when the sense of danger was just as palpable, John F.
Kennedy stayed in Washington."
Ari
Q Ari, in terms of this specific threat that you talked about
against the White
House and Air Force One, we have heard from administration
officials that the
plane that went into the Pentagon may have originally been
targeted at the White
House. What can you tell us about that?
MR. FLEISCHER: John, we have real and credible information that
the airplane that
landed at the Pentagon was originally intended to hit the White
House.
snip
Q Ari, we started off this briefing by you saying that there
was specific and credible
evidence that the plane that hit the Pentagon was originally
targeted for the White
House.
MR. FLEISCHER: Correct.
Q Do you have specific and credible evidence on the intended
target of the aircraft
that went down in Pennsylvania?
MR. FLEISCHER: Do not.

and some of that "leadership: (Fineman swooning here):

"
Bush Goes to Battle Stations
On the treadmill in the gym of a Shanghai hotel, George W. Bush
was running hard,
working up a sweat that soaked through his gray T shirt. It was
5:30 in the morning,
local time. He'd been unable to sleep. His suite on the 44th
floor of the Portman
Ritz-Carlton was plush, but the air was tense; concerns about
secure communications
were running high. His wife, always a comfort, was far away,
back home in
Washington, D.C. He had gotten out of bed to work the phones in
the early morning
hours. *That's when he learned, from calls to Vice President
Dick Cheney and others,
that U. S. Army Rangers had launched an operation Bush had
previously authorized:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/645609.asp

(#174) (No rating) by ET on 03/22/2004 09:18:38 AM EST
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Saw this in the Post yesterday and thought of the blog.....

The Reliable Source
Richard Leiby. The Washington Post. Mar 21, 2004. pg. D.03

"Vietnam II Preflight Check," a list of questions comparing the just-launched war with that previous long and nasty one.
1. Cabal of oldsters who won't listen to outside advice? Check.
2. No understanding of ethnicities of the many locals? Check.
3. National boundaries drawn in Europe, not by the locals? Check.
4. Unshakable faith in our superior technology? Check.
5. France secretly hoping we fall on our [rear ends]? Check.
6. Russia secretly hoping we fall on our [rear ends]? Check.
7. China secretly hoping we fall on our [rear ends]? Check.
8. Secretary of Defense pushing a conflict the Joint Chiefs never wanted? Check.
9. Fear we'll look bad if we back down now? Check.
10. Corrupt Texan in the White House? Check. [Editor's note: Absolutely no proof of this.]
11. Land war in Asia? Check.
12. Right-wing unhappy with outcome of previous war? Check.
13. Enemy easily moves in/out of neighboring countries? Check.
14. Soldiers about to be exposed to our own chemicals? Check.
15. Friendly fire problem ignored instead of solved? Check.
16. Anti-Americanism up sharply in Europe? Check.
17. B-52 bombers? Check.
18. Helicopters that clog up on the local dust? Check.
19. Infighting among the branches of the military? Check.
20. Locals that cheer us by day, hate us by night? Check.
21. Local experts ignored? Check.
22. Local politicians ignored? Check.
23. Locals accustomed to conflicts lasting since before the USA has been a country? Check.
24. Against advice, Prez won't raise taxes to pay for war? Check.
25. Blue water navy ships operating in brown water? Check.
26. Use of nukes hinted at if things don't go our way? Check.
27. Unpopular war? Check.
28. It's the media's fault? Check.

"Vietnam II, you are cleared for takeoff.

Edwards guy on DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1262789&mesg_id=1262933&page=
Bombtrack  (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-21-04 07:31 PM
Response to Original message
44. What's Clarke's relationship to Wes Clark? Anyone know
They seem to be in the same intellectual camp

robbedvoter  (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-21-04 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #44
192. 2 people with integrity - a very small camp indeed

I didn't see it, but somebody on DU posted this:

The guy on Fox was clearly cheerleading openly for Bush. Clark first
corrected him in saying that Richard Clarke was NOT a Clinton "aide"
but was a career civil servant who also served under Bush. The host
asked Clark if he was speaking on behalf of Kerry, as though such an
admission would damage his credibility. Clark had no problem saying
that 'yes' he was speaking for the Kerry campaign. Clark mentioned
Harry Truman in that the buck should stop with the President, when
the host tried to bring Clinton into this, mentioning that in nine
months Bush did nothing to fight terrorism. When the host tried to
get Clark to admit that we were better off eliminating Saddam and
trying to bring democracy, Clark praised the military by over-
achieving under difficult circumstances in Iraq but suggested that we
were now over-extended in the world in trying to fight terrorism
because of Iraq. He also said we will need more than just a military
effort to fight terrorism but also diplomacy and the help of our
traditional allies, something he said Kerry will be able to achieve
where Bush fails. The host tried to get Clark to admit that
Afghanistan was going well, but Clark pointed out that Bush had had
the opportunity to catch Al Qaeda's leadership, for example at Tora
Bora and flatly failed. The host tried to get Clark to admit that the
recent events in cornering Al Qaeda in Pakistan were getting results.
Clark said that Bush, by focusing on Iraq has given Al Qaeda time to
adjust and now they are far more decentralized than before and will
require a different strategy, suggesting that Bush continues to
remain one step behind. Finally, the host tried to suggest Clark's
bias in a parting shot, by suggesting that Clark was speaking up
because he wants to be Secretary of State. Clark said that he was
speaking up because he wants America to be safe. It was ugly for the
Faux host, as Clark hit one slam dunk after another around him, as
though the host were nailed to the floor.

Fun with trolls


(#231 ) (Rated 1.00/7) by Anonymous on 03/21/2004 01:43:45 PM EST
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(#117) "A porky dorky. Always reminded me of Porky the Pig when he was steaming mad. (Bless you for all you have done for America, Howie, whatever it was. Oh, yeah, motivated a whole new generation to vote for Edwards."

You are an arse.  I can't believe it.  I have just read 117 posts on this thread.  Many of you guys are still talking against Gov. Dean and even name-calling like this lovely poster of #117.  

I haven't read ONE not ONE post here of any intelligence or against the atrocious regime presently in the White House.

Go visit Democracy for America.  Go visit Senator Edward's blog.  Educate yourselves.  

If you guys think for one moment Kerry will ask Clark to be his VP, you are dreaming.   Clark may be a wonderful General, but I strongly think that he was USED.  

Again, I can't believe that you guys are still talking against Dean.  Get over yourselves.


Answer

[new] (#267 ) (No rating) by Lara (Lara at forclark dot com ) on 03/21/2004 02:27:05 PM EST
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I have read both Sen. Edwards and Gov. Dean's blogs, anony - and they have never risen above the level of sycophantic bullshit.

On Edwards' blog this week, they didn't know Clark had to be out of the military for 10 years before being Def. Sec. and they were talking about how Kerry will implode and Edwards will get the nomiation - three weeks AFTER it was practically a done deal that Kerry will get it. Yeah - they're living in reality.

On Dean's blog this week, they are still talking about how they will never vote for Kerry, thus ensuring a Bush victory. Look, Kerry wasn't my first choice, either, and unless he puts the inexperienced Edwards on as his veep, then he'll still get my vote because he's a damn sight better than Bush.

If you don't think the commentary here is intelligent, then you're not reading. All the quotes, links and comments this morning regarding Shrub, Richard Clarke, the 9/11 commission and the U.S. media's failures are heads and shoulders above what drivel is being posted on BOTH Dean and Edwards' blogs. Dean and Edwards (well, maybe not Edwards) would be ashamed!


(#247 ) (Rated 5.00/1) by Sybil (Clark Democrat ) on 03/21/2004 02:07:20 PM EST
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I read your whole stream of edwards/dean bulls**t without taking offense until you made the statement, "Clark may be a wonderful General, but I strongly think that he was USED."  

Clark was drafted of course. Proving once and for all that morons shouldn't...

...go back to your own blog.
 


(#242 ) (Rated 5.00/1) by Saint N Memphis (Saint-N Memphis at forclark dot com ) on 03/21/2004 02:00:36 PM EST
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Anonymous,

Thank you very much for your comments...duly noted.  It is obvious that your intelligence surpasses all humanity.  I am sure that your numerous Nobels, Pulitzers, and Cracker Jack Prizes entitles you to assume that your opinions supercedes all others and must therefore, count for something.

Again, we all bow down to your superior intellect and will follow your lead and will immediate worship Dr. Dean and Senator Edwards as Lords of America.  Thank you for showing us our error.



(#262 ) (No rating) by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com ) on 03/21/2004 02:22:34 PM EST
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I'm not worthy! ;-)

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bowdown.gif


(#239 ) (Rated 5.00/1) by Robbedvoter (Robbedvoter at forclark dot com ) on 03/21/2004 01:55:55 PM EST
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"Our blogs are better than your blogs" and "My lawyer can beat your lawyer"
Yup. Your well thought arguments made see the light. I regret the error of my ways. I've hot the power! I am a son od a mill worker! I saw the light!
The draft did not exist - i dreamt it all. My brain, all our brains were an illusion - who needs them? let's all pretend Osama = Saddam, 9.11 was a good reason to go in Iraq, Osama is innocent until proven guilty, PNAC may be right, the guys with confederate flags...
Yessss! Life is so much better when you live another to do the thinking for you!


(#238 ) (No rating) by celtic mama (A CLARK DEMOCRAT ) on 03/21/2004 01:55:35 PM EST
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Where have Edwards and Dean been these last few weeks?  Wes has been out there WORKING for Kerry.  Howie makes one statement for Kerry and the Kerry people had to back away from it because it was too inflammatory.  Edwards has done nothing but lend his plane.  Is he out there stumping?  No!  Wes is out there running himself ragged to get the word out for Kerry.  Not running for VP, but actually campaigning for Kerry and becoming the voice of the party.  The media made Howie and Edwards bigger than what they were.


(#234 ) (No rating) by Madeline (Proud to be a Clark Democrat ) on 03/21/2004 01:48:02 PM EST
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May I respectfully respond - get over yourself.

If you think that Dean or Edwards can add anything of value to the Kerry campaign or administration, it is you who are delusional. You obviously know nothing about Wes Clark and until you do, please go back to whence you came.

(#206) (No rating) by The bug on 03/21/2004 01:17:32 PM EST
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Just got here so don't know if anyone has reported this yet.....

A "pundit" on CNN this morning was reporting what is possibly going
on with Edwards these days - says he may be considering running for his
own Senate seat - that redistricting has caused the filing date to be
extended to April somethingerother.

Now, before anyone gets too excited, I must say that I think this
"in the know" guy for CNN is the same one who "reported" that Gert had
told Wes she didn't want him to run for VP.

If that's the case, though, and CNN is just inventing stories based
on what this guy is supposedly hearing, it's interesting to note the
kinds of things CNN is trying to invent for public consumption. Theyjust continue to amaze....

In my mailbox - re: What will media do when Wes is named VP:


On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 12:05 PM, jerry9 wrote:


When Wes is named VP in about a month, there will be a week long
celebration in the media. All democrats and pundits will say how good
Wes is and they will also make Gert into Wonderwoman. (If you don't
believe me, even Bill Press in a private EMail wrote that Clark would
make an excellent Veep. Press had been pushing for McCain)


my response:

You are wrong. There will be attacks the second they find out, and mourning for pour Breck, and how could kerry do that to him - and attacks on Clark - the Lincol dinner, the "Rove didn't answer my calls" and haiti man boobs will be all back on the right and left - be ready!
here's some memories (in a fun way)
Why I will not support Clark:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=386560

http://tinyurl.com/3ymkg

and the nostalgia thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=430558

http://tinyurl.com/2gq9d

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DrRedneck/message/822


"Peter Shumlin was
> talking about something that they worked on while Dean was Governor.
> He said [paraphrasing from memory here] "And we had a Democratic
> Governor at the time, too. Of course, many of us couldn't see that.
> [laughter] It took a run for the Presidency to make him into a real
> Democrat. Howard, when you went national you finally got it right!"

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Those egg-sucking dogs!

Just turned on FTN and the first question to Dean is, What do you think of the fact that Kerry's campaign is letting it be known that they are giving serious consideration to McCain as VP running mate. Dean says roughly, far be it from me to tell Kerry who to pick, McCain is a fine man, etc.

AFTER ALL THE CRAP Kerry AND Dean gave to Wes Clark about being a Democrat-come-lately and a Democrat-by-convenience and after constantly suggesting that he was a closet-Republican!!!!

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Its so hard for we passionate Clarkies to quickly run over to Kerry. He had no grass roots, no passionate supporters. He just kind of got accepted as the one that has earned his mettle in the Democratic Party. In my opinion the Democratic Party hasn't earned its mettle of late. It is leading almost nowhere. We still believe in the principles but realize the inroads the RepublicAn Party has made. They have infiltrated the AARP, the Sierra Club and many others. I will vote for Kerry and even work although moderately for him. YES, I'm concerned that he is a Skull and Crossbones. YES, I'm concerned that he has waffled on so many issues. The guy certainly does not turn me on as a candidate but he is the lesser of two evils. Some of you don't understand how hard this is for passionate people to accept! Patti from MN

    1. Keep blogging
    2. Keep writing (rapid response) to the media and recognize that 20-30 individual letters (not form letter copies) from various Clark supporters get media attention.
    3. Support Kerry. General Wes is leading out on that.
    4. Address the opponent Republican(s)' wrongs, not our own. The Republican leadership has taken a seriously wrong turn for our country.
    5. Contribute and encourage contributions. The amount of the debt could be from $0.00 to $300,000, or even, $500,000. The amount of the debt is uncertain because the FEC may not authorize some charges, and also,  all of the bills from across country are not in. Encourage contributions from others, especially those who have not reached, individually, $250.00 as those are still eligible for matching FEC funds (doubles the contribution). And also, those who have not reached their individual max.
  6. When asked what to do to start getting into doing public service, General Wes said to go help someone. (That's what public service is about.)
  7. Know that General Wes continuing to support John Kerry and continuing to be receptive to ways to encourage his own base, his own supporters to participate.
  8. General Wes emphasized his belief that John Kerry is a leader we CAN support with confidence. He outlined some of the characteristics he sees John Kerry as having that make him a leader worth our support.
  Those are the 8 major points that I got from your report on your attendance at the DC gathering at the attorney's offices, and your report of your conversation with General Wes and Ms.Gert while there.
Clearsky summing up the DC directions

(#51 ) (Rated 5.00/2) by richsezclark4prez (richsezclark4prez - A Clark Democrat! ) on 03/20/2004 12:49:32 AM EST
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To #228 donjo from the last thread...
If it wasn't for those 240 "others" we really wouldn't be a community , would we? This blog represents, for the most part, the Clark Rapid Response Team. It is manned 24/7 (thanks Noel and those on the Pacific Rim and those in the EU). We share info from all over the world! We get the low-down on ALL issues as it happens, because our members remain "on the watch" and share it here. And this info gets passed along. Just check out how many anons are on at any one time. If HALF of them send our info and links to their people...

I have offered to find this blog a good home many times. Wes Clark even said "Keep blogging!" We ARE making a difference! Those "others" are very important to the life-blood of this blog and IMHO we will continue.

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by Kramer (Kramer at forclark dot com) on 03/19/2004 11:23:18 PM EST

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Donjo--
The only thing I have heard is that the blog is mostly on autopilot.  I haven't heard anything from any of the mods in weeks.
I can tell you why Clarktopia was shut down:  K Bacon is moving out of the country.  (I may well follow, depending on the November outcome)

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by julianyc (julianyc at forclark dot com) on 03/19/2004 01:48:59 PM EST

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Oh my! I just went over to the Kerry blog and this was the case someone made for Edwards as VP
"As Democrats I can only hope that Kerry realizes that adding Edwards to the ticket allows them to frame this election.  If he seizes the opportunity to add a VP candidate that removes national security from the debate so we can have an election on the issues then we can win this election and win back the Senate and very likely the House when the midterms come around.  If not then we are in for a very tough and completely uphill fight."
YIKES!!!
Are people really this stupid? It's like walking into court and introducing a teacher instead of a forensic psychologist because you don't like the forensic case that the other side has. Even if you are completely right in your case you need to face what the other side challenges you to.
Edwards will look like a total amateur debating National Security with Cheney.

Imagine my amazement when I tuned into CNN to catch
the last 15 minutes of Bush's propaganda and when it's
over, who does Wolf Blitzer turn to for the
"Democratic response." Our General of course!

Clark was brilliant as usual. Wolf referred to some
of the democratic stances against Bush as what "You
and Senator Kerry are saying." Am I the only one that
see's that Clark is getting more and more
recognition...and seems to be the one person speaking
in support of and for Kerry the most to the media?

Good news....

-Ronald Esquerra
Michigan

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by statenislanderic on 03/19/2004 10:37:08 AM EST

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Howard Park posted earlier today on another list about a Clark thank you event in Washington DC last night and part of his post is below (regarding campaign debt):
"Clark did not seem overly concerned about campaign debt. He explained that --depending on which accoutant he talked to last -- "the debt is between zero and three hundred thousand, probably closer to the higher figure." He explained that they were still sorting through expense vouchers and deciding which expenses
were valid. Clark joked that "just because I told someone to 'do whatever you can to get a copy made' did not mean that that person was authorized to buy
a $5,000 copier."

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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 03/19/2004 10:39:11 AM EST

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rm: Don't know who you are or why you've showed up now, but Robbed Voter has built a WALL of credibility here on this Blog.
As a friend and admirer, I would ask you to take your hostility somewhere else. If she rated you a 1, suck it up and live with it or move on tow where you ususally post.
Thanks.
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by Anonymous on 03/19/2004 11:00:04 AM EST

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Robbed Voter does not like Edwards and continually attacks him and calls him Breck which I find disgusting.  The Democratic race for President is over and we all need to be United for beating Bush.  I also find in quite interesting that she has yet to say that she will support Kerry even though Clark has asked us too.  Moreover, I have to wonder what she would do if Kerry picked Edwards as his VP running mate even with Clark campaigning for the ticket and for beating Bush.  I also have to wonder if Robbed Voter said to Clark when she represented herself as a "leader" of this blog that she is undecided about voting for Kerry....I kinda  doubt it.
As for her wall of credibility...can someone explain to me how she has done this??  By posting emails that others have written?  By finding links to articles and posting them here?  By making statements such as Edwards wrote the Patriot Act that were not true?    Yes, she campaigned for Clark and did all that others did but what more did she do here??  I just find it laughable that some here think she has some sort of higher level of connection to Clark...

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by Kramer (Kramer at forclark dot com) on 03/19/2004 11:02:03 AM EST

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Get off your soapbox about Robbed.  If you have a problem with her, email her.  Geez!
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by TOTALLY COMMITTED on 03/19/2004 11:05:06 AM EST

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I have to wonder why you and others who were original drafters are so UNconcerend about the debt that is owed.
Personally, I find it distressing that anyone who asked General Clark to run would be satisfied wit ha debt of even $5 left owed. This whole attitude of WELL, IF HE'S NOT WORRIED WHY SHOULD WE BE? is so irresponsible as to be childish. The General is a proud man, and an ADULT. What is he going to do, come to us and BEG for us to retire his debt? He wouldn't do that, nor should he HAVE TO for us to see our responsibility clearly and act on it.
Just my un-asked-for 2-cents-worth.

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by Kramer (Kramer at forclark dot com) on 03/19/2004 11:07:06 AM EST

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I don't like Edwards either, and I post remarks about that dislike all the time.
It's called "Freedom of Speech", and Robbed, and I, and everyone, has a right to criticize these public figures.
I've called him worse than Breck.  I find 'Chuckie' more fitting.

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by noelschutz (noelschutz@yahoo.com) on 03/19/2004 03:03:08 AM EST

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Great meeting and post, knightrider.
THIS ARE THE ISSUES FOR WHICH KERRY NEEDS HIM
He hopes to travel and appear regularly to address many issues on behalf of Kerry regarding Iraq, Terrorism, and national security...his campaign to address each attack by the Bush media machine.
THIS IS WHAT WE DO BEST!
keep blogging, keep up the letters; 20-30 individual letters, I understand will make media take notice!"    I noted this because your blogs, your concerns are being read!!  Your letters are needed!!!!!!   They convey the true sentiment on how we feel about the course of  the campaigns and an important resource.  But remember, major media will only regard it as a concern if among 30 others who reply with similar sentiments.
Therefore, he emphasized that it is not just blogging, it's also responding immediately to when media presents mistruths, editorials or interviews which attacks Kerry; and ultimately, distracts away from Bush's failure in the economy, national security, jobs, health care, terrorism, foreign policy and the war in Iraq.
URGE US TO SUPPORT KERRY EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT EASY--would be if he were on the ticket!
Clark indicated that he and Gert have been wrestling with this issue about how to encourage his base to support Kerry, other than what he has already been doing for Kerry.  It is difficult, but Clark urged us to remember the bigger picture; particularly regarding the "dangerous path" the Bush administration is leading this country and what it is doing to our democracy.
He is making an attempt to meet supporters wherever he goes now. That is really great...

Joe Biden "Endorses" Kerry-McCain ticket on Hardball
Reply-To: UnitedForClark@yahoogroups.com

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The Hardball Briefing On MSNBC
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Hardball airs tonight at 7p, 11p & 4a ET and out West at 4p, 8p & 1a
PT

Matthews: Let me ask you. Do you think McCain is seriously - and
I mean this professionally - flirting with the idea of accepting
a second place on the ticket with John Kerry, and creating a fusion
ticket to run against the President.

Biden: .....I think that this is time for unity in this country,
and maybe it is time to have a guy like John McCain - a Republican
- on the ticket with a guy he does like. They do get along. And
they don't have fundamental disagreements on major policies.

Matthews: Would you support that ticket ... for President?

Biden: I would. Yeah. If John Kerry said that's who he wanted,
and McCain - I'd encourage McCain to say yes. I doubt whether John
would do it. I doubt whether John McCain would do it. But, you
know, we need some unity here, man. The red states and the blue
states - we got to have something to coalesce around here.

Matthews: Well hearing you now Senator, he may say yes. Thank
you very much. Senator Joe Biden of Delaware. Ranking Democrat on
Foreign Relations.

Biden also claims that foreign leaders have told him personally
that they want a change of administration...

[clarkactionteam] VP Vote In Mississippi Is A Tie

I heard from the state chair in Mississippi tonight what the results are of the choice for VP for the Mississippi delegation. Based on the votes of the various DNC members and party officials the vote came out to a tie between Wesley Clark and John Edwards. That is not exactly what we wanted but a tie is a lot better than losing to Edwards. The only other person to get any votes was Bob Graham.

As far as I know at this point, unless something changes, the delegation will have a representative to present the names of both Wesley Clark and John Edwards to Sen Kerry as the preferred VP choices for Mississippi.

Rob

From: "Jai"
Date: Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:49:51 PM America/Montreal
To: UnitedForClark@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UnitedForClark] CNN is at it again
Reply-To: UnitedForClark@yahoogroups.com

I am fuming and I just sent CNN two nasty letters, one to the CNN TV
contact site and one to the cnn.com contact site. Not that it will
do any good--it never does. And why should I be surprised?

When I watched Wes Clark on CNN this morning, I only saw the first
live appearance. But when I tried to pull up the transcript, I
noticed it was different from what I remembered seeing.

Well, it was. Apparently CNN edited out two sentences from General
Clark's comments. Fairly significant ones.

First edit: In the live interview, right after playing Chaney's
criticism of Kerry, Clark said, "Well, I think these facts are taken
out of context on his voting record, but I think the fact is this.
John Kerry does have the right character and experience to be our
commander-in-chief and to be a great president."

In the replay, he just says, "I think the fact is this. John Kerry
does have the right character and experience to be our commander-in-
chief and to be a great president." Gee, Clark was asked about what
Chaney said... shouldn't he have answered the question? And how much
sense does what he said later, about Kerry's voting record make
without this context?

Second edit: At the very end, Clark said in the live interview, "And
this really is the key foreign policy issue in this campaign. Which
person: John Kerry or George W. Bush is best suited to bring the
nations of the world together to focus on keeping the world safe from
international terrorism? I support John Kerry. I believe he's the
best person to do this."

In the replay, he says only, "And this really is the key foreign
policy issue in this campaign. Which person: John Kerry or George W.
Bush is best suited to bring the nations of the world together to
focus on keeping the world safe from international terrorism?" I
guess the General just can't make up his mind, huh?

Another change: In the live interview, General Clark is identified
as "Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander." In the replay, it's
merely "Former Presidential Candidate."

Oh yeah, one more difference, and I'll grant you it's minor but just
one more straw. General Clark said Kerry had been "at the point of
the spear." In the transcript of the live interview, it says, "at
the point of [UNINTELLIGIBLE]" (which it wasn't at all, but they get
in a hurry, so I'll cut 'em some slack). On the second transcript,
it says, "at the point of the sphere." SPHERE?! That's not a typo--
the spelling is too different. How many points on a sphere, people?
Morons.

Here are the two transcripts, if you want to compare:
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0403/18/ltm.02.html
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0403/18/ltm.04.html

Oh btw... Guess which one has the General's name in the link on the
transcripts page for March 18th? Hint: it isn't the more complete,
more accurate one.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnitedForClark/message/6550

The video clip  is available at
http://www.us4clark.com/mediaclips.html

Great quote by Dean below that really is ironic!!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040318/ap_
on_el_pr/dean&cid=694&ncid=2043

http://tinyurl.com/yqalk


"I would vastly prefer to have someone who had actually spent time in
combat running this country and standing up for our soldiers than I would
a president of the United States who never served a day in combat," Dean
said.
_________

Also notable:

Dean spokesman Jay Carson said Dean will send messages to his supporters
on Kerry's behalf, but he is opposed to turning their contact information
over to others to use on their own. He said many on Dean's list are new to
politics, signed up specifically in support of Dean and may bristle at having
their addresses passed around.

war crimes!


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by joandarc (joandarc at forclark dot com) on 03/18/2004 06:15:28 PM EST

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Idon't think Kerry is sick. Clark was in New York to thank his volunteers and fundraisers at at least two events which were planned at least two weeks ago. I was at one of the events. I too spoke to Clark about our strong desire on the blog to raise money with a cake or a train to erase his debt. So what does he owe? He does not know what the debt is yet--it will take time. But we will hear from him on this. I told him a direct letter to the blog would be best. We'll see. I also asked Gert about those nasty rumors on CNN about her being against the VP spot. She has nothing at all to do with that rumor. It is a total CNN media invention. Interpret that as you like. No one in that room has any respect for the Media.  Ted Sorensen was there.  It turns out he was a Clark backer from the start. I asked him if he was going to write Clark's biography and he said Clark will do that for himself and that he was writing his own biography. I quipped "you can call it the 'Biographer's Biography'"  I hope I get a commission!
I also got to tell the General that when I heard him say "this was a liberating experience" that I got a lump in my throat because I feel the same way and that the last few months have been the best of my life. I found my voice as did we all. I brought up Holbroke's comment to Blitzer two days ago about telling Wolf if he wants to know who Kerry's "leaders" are and what they think of Dubya all he has to do was poll his own foreign correspondents. Wolf said something like "that's for another time"--We all pretty much rolled our eyes at that! I told the General, because that's what I call him, that I had heard Dubya had once said-- "the French, they dont even have a word for 'entrepreneur'". Clark said that was a false rumor.  (I'm thinking, of course, because W certainly couldn't have pronounced 'entrepreneur'") So we had a lot of fun and laughs--I got a hug (well I TOOK a hug) and a photo with the General. Had fun with Gert. Told her I didn't like them staying in fancy hotels when they are in NY or in uppitty Park Ave Apartments, that if they want to feel at home they should come and stay with me, it's a little closer to being in a Barracks--not really true. Wow, it has been so really great to be on the inside of a campaign. You never know what life has in store. If I think of anything else, I'll let you know.  Oh, I just did. The first thing I told the General was that I was still up on the blog and that I was trying to get you guys over to the Kerry Blog. Please guys, save your country. I know it's not the General, no-one could possibly be, but I am raising money for Kerry for the NY Gala already, not with the same fervor of course, but it has to be done. He's a really good guy. I know he's been a politician for a long time, but his heart is definitely in the right place and he's very very smart.  And he listens to the General!!! Who knows what that will translate to.  Remember the Prime Directive--ABB.

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by The bug on 03/18/2004 04:54:21 PM EST

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Just went over to the Edwards blog - curious to see what they were saying about the VP issue.  I lasted about 5 minutes and left very very afraid.........
Of course, the VP thing is all over the place - one blogger was wondering why Clark and Dean were all over the news shows while Edwards was not - to which another blogger replied it meant Edwards was the VP candidate and the Kerry campaign was keeping him "safe." They also think Edwards would be the perfect VP because of his ability to raise money and "connect with people."
And, they're all in love with Peggy Noonan (Neocon Noonan)!  They think she has a crush on JRE (as they call him) - and they love how she praises him all the time. These people are even stupider than I thought!
But here's the scary stuff.....there's a thread where some people are telling others that Kerry's poll numbers are tanking - that he's ready to implode and he better pick Edwards as VP quick. One person said "Kerry should be finished by the end of June - if his poll numbers aren't down the toilet by then, then the dems will have to come up with some filth to make sure Kerry steps down before the convention."  They reiterated their "hope that Kerry picks Edwards as a back-up or the situation could get a little complicated in Boston."  They went on to say, "That's our hope - that Kerry implodes before the convention so that he withdraws and Edwards steps in his place." These people are seriously deranged!
That was it for me!  I skulked away.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/bal-te.war18mar18001701,0,7871316.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

http://tinyurl.com/3b5xr
Iraq war still 'time of testing'

By Mark Matthews and David L. Greene
Sun National Staff
Posted March 18 2004

WASHINGTON - A year after President Bush launched an invasion to topple Saddam Hussein, bad news from several directions is undercutting the White House case that progress is being made in Iraq and in the war on terrorism.

AGAIN, ONLY CLARK IS QUOTED OTHER THAN KERRY IN THIS ARTICLE....

>>SNIP
Critics of the war, such as Wesley K. Clark, the retired general and former Democratic presidential hopeful, have argued that the invasion diverted resources that should have gone toward pursuing al-Qaida.

Yesterday, referring to the bombings in Madrid and Baghdad, Clark called the war "a strategic distraction from the war on terror, and that's been my concern, and the events of the last few days underscore it."

Sen. John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has not gone that far in criticizing the war in Iraq, which he voted to authorize, though he has accused Bush of alienating allies in the run-up to the war. Yesterday, Kerry echoed Bush administration officials in calling for Spain to keep its troops in Iraq.

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by John in Houston (John-in-Houston at forclark dot com) on 03/18/2004 04:31:14 PM EST

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GORE CALLS PRO WRESTLING "FAKE"
Al Gore issued a statement today saying he now believes that professional wrestling "may not be on the up-and-up."

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kevin
I cannot deliver "dedicated support" to someone I am not dedicated to (can't fake orgasms either). I'll have to fight Bush a different way.
    I had this either /or conversation yesterday with a woman urging us all to join the State Dem party. My " depends on the ticket" nearly got her claws in my eyes.Mild mannered people scattered, waiting for fur to fly; "So, what , are you going to vote for Nader? " "Since when were we discussing voting? I want Bush out too, but I have to go where my passion is" "My passion is the democratic party" "Mine is no longer that" "How many campaigns did you work on? Just this one? I worked on 6" "I only worked on thi - because I believe in it" "But who the candidate is doesn't matter He lost, you move forward" "This is precisely why I won't join the state party - views like this - how can you even win like this?"
     In the end , the word "Moveon" saved my eyes from being gauged. The woman was at the party yesterday - my guess - for recruiting purposes only. Of course, how can one recruit when one is devod of passion? democratic party, my foot.

      >>SNIP

      Democrats, meanwhile, have waged counterattacks after rallying to the defense of Kerry.

      Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, until recently one of Kerry's rivals for the nomination, told reporters yesterday that Cheney's attack was "unwarranted and unjustified."

      As a decorated Vietnam veteran and as a senator, Kerry has demonstrated "an ability to see the big picture, understand the issues, deal with them in a thoughtful way and make strong decisions," Clark said.

      Clark, the former supreme NATO commander, also raised questions about the timing of the Bush administration's decision a year ago to unseat Hussein, saying the Iraqi dictator had been effectively contained for the time being. The result, Clark suggested, was to give the al-Qaeda terrorist network "a breathing spell, a recovery spell in which they strengthened and diversified themselves."
    

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040318-9999-1n18kerry.html

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by John in Houston (John-in-Houston at forclark dot com) on 03/18/2004 04:16:09 PM EST

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/18/politics/18CND-SCAL.html?hp
"Nor was I alone with him at any time during the trip, except, perhaps, for instances so brief and unintentional that I would not recall them -- walking to or from a boat, perhaps, or going to or from dinner," he continued. "Of course, we said not a word about the present case."
Question for Scalia:
While you were on this trip did you see or talk to or were you ever alone with anyone from the Sierra Club?

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by The bug on 03/18/2004 10:23:20 AM EST

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I'm wondering if anyone else noticed something about Wes' appearance on CNN this morning...
Bill and Soledad always do a lead-in about what's coming up in the next hour, or at least in the next few minutes - especially if they are going to have a guest in the studio.  This morning they had 3 different chances to say that the General was coming up - and they didn't do it!  They didn't even mention him until he was on the couch (good thing we knew he would be on ahead of time).
CNN used to slight Wes this way (and in many other ways) when he was a candidate so I wonder if maybe they suspect something is up (that he really might be the VP candidate). And maybe even though they treated him respectfully during the interview, they found a sly way to get a dig in - just in case.
A little bit later I heard Soledad say that Rudy Giulinani would be coming up to discuss somethingerother...so they do it for others.  Maybe it means nothing, but with CNN everything is suspect.

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Edwards's chances to be VP went up in smoke in Madrid and Baghdad this week.

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by John in Houston (John-in-Houston at forclark dot com) on 03/18/2004 10:36:39 AM EST

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The other thing is, if Kerry's Achilles heel is his long record of votes in the Senate, which can be cherry-picked to make him look like a serial axe-murderer if you want, the last thing you need on the ticket is another senator, who will only call more attention to that.

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by John in Houston (John-in-Houston at forclark dot com) on 03/18/2004 10:49:04 AM EST

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I was re-reading this op ed from George McGovern back in January, which is now poignant. I hope the wisdom of his final paragraph prevails, though it irritated me no end at the time. It was a powerful endorsement of Wes Clark as the presidential candidate, and it is a powerful endorsement of him as VP.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/opinion/7838310.htm

Shades of Enron?

Mike Roselli reports that Kerry is borrowing a plane. For his flight to Idaho, Kerry used John Edwards' campaign plane -- formerly owned by Paul McCartney.

What's next? The Joe-mobile?
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/18/thu/index.html

Well. I'd been skipping over reading the article in the New York Times with a title about Dean and his letters to his constituents, his continuing to fund-raise and his continuing an organization for good government.

But, my Search on "Wesley AND Clark" in the NYT got me into it only to find that our dear, brilliant General Wes is praised for being first out on his appeal to his loyal supporters (US!) for funds for Kerry, AND the article goes on...

Here are the quotes for the uplift:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quotes from New York Times 03/17/04. For educational discussion only and not for commerical use:

"The Kerry campaign is pushing hard to raise money over the Internet and has brought in about $11.5 million in the last two weeks. While Bill Clinton, the former president, and a cast of other Democratic recognizables began a drive Tuesday to raise $10 million for Mr. Kerry in the next 10 days, General Clark has already been soliciting.

"Even though my campaign has ended, the campaign for America's future continues on," he told supporters in an e-mail March 9. "I've asked my supporters to join me in standing up for the man I believe will bring change to this country."

Three days later, he indicated that he, like Dr. Dean, may not be out of politics.

"Stay tuned for coming news about my future plans," he wrote.

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by Kramer (Kramer at forclark dot com) on 03/16/2004 05:48:59 PM EST

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Getting ready to leave for Frolic.  I asked the General's neighbor about the debt.  She said she did not have a figure.  I asked her to let him know that we need to know the amount of debt and to send us a note setting a goal, and that we would do our best to meet that goal.
So watch your mailbox for a letter from the General sometime in the near future.
By the way, she said the auction went well (good news)!
Talk to you all later...

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Vickie, it wasn't Mrs. Clark. Kramer talked with the Clarks' neighbor and she is the one that said what CNN said was untrue and then spent 5 mins berating CNN for how they treated the General on the air and in private.

It's on the last thread.

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by Ocelot on 03/16/2004 04:13:38 PM EST

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#89  ...as long as nobody notices his big 'ol MOLE.  I just can't help thinking (laughing) about the notion of Edwards stalking Kerry like a love-lorn high school kid. Bumps into him all over the place, says "Hiiiii, John!" (huge smile, bats eyelashes). Writes "John Kerry John Kerry John Kerry" all over his notebooks (Day Timer? Palm Pilot?). Asks all his friends, "Do you think he really likes me? He, like, smiled at me the other day!"  Threatens to claw that slut Wes Clark's eyes out.

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by Lara (Lara at forclark dot com) on 03/16/2004 12:58:08 PM EST

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Never let it be said that I rest on my laurels:
Dear Kerry staff:
As an original Draft Wesley Clark grassroots campaigner, my curiosity was intrigued when I saw this site: www.draftkerryedwards.com.
However, that curiosity turned to pure anger when I did a search to see what "grassroots" organization started this website and discovered this:
Organization:
Old North State Strategies Co.
Thomas Mills
502 Brandywine Road
Chapel Hill, NC 27516
US
Phone: 919-932-9359
Fax..: 919-932-4277
Email: tmills2@nc.rr.com
Turns out this isn't a grassroots campaign at all. And is, in fact, a political image company:
http://www.campaignline.com/politicalpages/data.cfm?id=35
(Scroll down to Image Makers, alphabetically.)
Now, I'm not sure if Sen. John Edwards hired these people or if these people are trying to cash in on something, but I would hope that your staff ignores this blatant attempt to cash in on genuine grassroots efforts.
Thank you, however, for continuing to support Wes Clark's policies by having him appear at various functions for Sen. Kerry. We drafters certainly do enjoy seeing the General and adore it when he gives George W. Bush hell!
Sincerely,

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by Anonymous on 03/16/2004 02:11:38 AM EST

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No one in their right mind would take Milosevic's statements "Clark is a war criminal" as fact.  Milosevic is currently being found guilty of ethnic cleansing at the Hague.  Shelton and some in the Pentagon at that time just didn't want to fight that war in the Balkans; they thought it shouldn't have been a high priority for the US, and many on Clinton's team, like Madeline Albright and Clark did, because it was a test for NATO, and one which they passed--Shelton was very embarassed that Milosevic quoted him, as he would never want to be associated with defending Milosevic.
--it's downright sick that Edwards was having rallies at Serb halls, but I know you would ever get Edwards on the record as defending Milosevic--no one would defend Milosevic because Milosevic is, in fact, a war criminal guilty of ethnic cleansing.  That link you provided has nothing to do with how the press covered Clark.  DU may or may not be a problem, but it's certainly not a problem that's going to be solved by the current administration.  We've used DU for years and years and years.